1 00:00:24,630 --> 00:00:17,960 [Music] 2 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:24,640 today we have a very special guest who 3 00:00:32,369 --> 00:01:02,610 [Music] 4 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:05,590 today we have a very special guest who 5 00:01:10,210 --> 00:01:08,570 is also a friend of mine Earl Grey the 6 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:10,220 chief investigator for the Southern 7 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:12,770 California Chapter of MUFON welcome Earl 8 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:16,310 I chant how are you doing it's good to 9 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:17,840 hear from you I'm so glad you're on the 10 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:19,420 show today thank you 11 00:01:24,910 --> 00:01:22,910 me too Earl you went to History 12 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:24,920 Channel's Blue Book premiere party how 13 00:01:32,830 --> 00:01:28,610 did that go it was really wonderful I 14 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:32,840 mean it was quite elaborate they you 15 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:35,930 know it was it was more party than a 16 00:01:42,670 --> 00:01:38,530 premiere for the show they kind of had 17 00:01:46,060 --> 00:01:42,680 they had a mansion in in Beverly Hills 18 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:46,070 that they had rented and they had 19 00:01:53,499 --> 00:01:48,710 redecorated in the inside of this place 20 00:01:57,790 --> 00:01:53,509 all period you know piece furniture from 21 00:02:00,370 --> 00:01:57,800 you know early early 60s late 1950s 22 00:02:03,550 --> 00:02:00,380 motif going on 23 00:02:07,389 --> 00:02:03,560 they had a jazz band playing period 24 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:07,399 music they actually reconstructed the 25 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:09,500 set of JL and Hynix 26 00:02:14,559 --> 00:02:12,770 office from the Blue Book you know from 27 00:02:16,510 --> 00:02:14,569 his office in wright-patterson Air Force 28 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:16,520 Base I guess is what they were trying to 29 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:19,250 go for in one of the rooms which was 30 00:02:25,210 --> 00:02:23,450 really really cool and anyhow they they 31 00:02:27,250 --> 00:02:25,220 really kind of went all out I know it's 32 00:02:29,710 --> 00:02:27,260 you know History Channel they obviously 33 00:02:32,260 --> 00:02:29,720 have a a pretty good budget you know 34 00:02:36,059 --> 00:02:32,270 because they you know it was it was a 35 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:36,069 VIP party I guess it's really the the 36 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:38,480 only party I've ever been to that was 37 00:02:44,620 --> 00:02:40,970 quite so elaborate you know a Hollywood 38 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:44,630 party like that but they had the the 39 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:46,970 surviving members of the Hynek family 40 00:02:51,970 --> 00:02:48,800 were there I got to meet Paul Hynek 41 00:02:53,020 --> 00:02:51,980 who's a ufologist and in his own right 42 00:02:56,020 --> 00:02:53,030 right now 43 00:02:59,559 --> 00:02:56,030 I noticed he did a recent a recent 44 00:03:02,320 --> 00:02:59,569 interview on open minds TV but he was 45 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:02,330 there and and I got to meet I got to 46 00:03:09,250 --> 00:03:05,650 meet Lindsay Hynek J Allen Hynek 47 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:09,260 granddaughter lovely intelligent woman 48 00:03:12,410 --> 00:03:09,840 and 49 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:12,420 it was just really a fun party just just 50 00:03:17,930 --> 00:03:15,239 kind of it looked like you know the sky 51 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:17,940 was a limit as far as the budget for the 52 00:03:24,259 --> 00:03:20,670 party went there were you know probably 53 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:24,269 a good I don't know maybe five six 54 00:03:29,809 --> 00:03:26,010 hundred people that were milling in and 55 00:03:32,539 --> 00:03:29,819 out through the evening and they even 56 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:32,549 drained the swimming pool and painted 57 00:03:39,470 --> 00:03:35,280 the Blue Book logo on the bottom of the 58 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:39,480 pool yeah we're talking a stir bar they 59 00:03:44,660 --> 00:03:42,599 were serving this caviar had a hosted 60 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:44,670 bar which is dangerous you know they had 61 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:48,030 and themed drinks like the Hynek comet 62 00:03:54,589 --> 00:03:51,090 and you know I definitely had a couple 63 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:54,599 of those so that shows going to premiere 64 00:03:59,330 --> 00:03:57,120 this coming Tuesday at 10:00 p.m. on the 65 00:04:00,259 --> 00:03:59,340 History Channel is that about right yeah 66 00:04:03,140 --> 00:04:00,269 that's correct 67 00:04:05,809 --> 00:04:03,150 there and and it's a really interesting 68 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:05,819 show because it is a drama but they're 69 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:09,480 basing it on allen hynek's life and you 70 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:12,000 know that J Allen Hynek is whole that 71 00:04:18,349 --> 00:04:16,320 that the the government hired him to to 72 00:04:20,810 --> 00:04:18,359 be the head of Project Blue Book which 73 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:20,820 was their first investigation into the 74 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:24,720 UFO phenomenon and he started out as a 75 00:04:31,250 --> 00:04:27,690 skeptic but you can watch him how he 76 00:04:33,110 --> 00:04:31,260 took this arc as he you know kept 77 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:33,120 getting case to case that he couldn't 78 00:04:38,330 --> 00:04:36,930 that he couldn't debunk and that really 79 00:04:40,490 --> 00:04:38,340 is the way that you follow gist is 80 00:04:42,350 --> 00:04:40,500 supposed to approach UFO cases I mean 81 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:42,360 you're supposed to try to figure out 82 00:04:47,659 --> 00:04:44,190 every natural thing that that could be 83 00:04:49,250 --> 00:04:47,669 on your own first and if you know it's 84 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:49,260 sort of like the old Sherlock Holmes 85 00:04:54,230 --> 00:04:51,090 thing you know you you keep on attacking 86 00:04:57,820 --> 00:04:54,240 it and you know if it holds up and 87 00:05:01,430 --> 00:04:57,830 there's a preponderance of evidence and 88 00:05:04,460 --> 00:05:01,440 it doesn't match any other natural 89 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:04,470 occurrence or natural phenomena that it 90 00:05:11,150 --> 00:05:06,450 could have possibly been then you've got 91 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:11,160 your unidentified you're unknown and at 92 00:05:16,159 --> 00:05:13,370 MUFON who I work for we use hynix 93 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:16,169 principles we use as classifications in 94 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:18,930 our cases and we use his method which is 95 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:20,969 more or less to the scientific method 96 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:23,529 you know he Occam's razor is my best 97 00:05:29,459 --> 00:05:26,649 friend it was was jail and hynek's best 98 00:05:32,369 --> 00:05:29,469 friend to the big differences is with 99 00:05:34,109 --> 00:05:32,379 Hynek he he began as a skeptic i think 100 00:05:36,749 --> 00:05:34,119 the government really wanted to disprove 101 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:36,759 for themselves and for the public that 102 00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:40,449 that it wasn't a real phenomenon the UFO 103 00:05:45,899 --> 00:05:42,489 phenomenon that it was you know 104 00:05:48,919 --> 00:05:45,909 misidentified stuff hoaxes and and and 105 00:05:52,979 --> 00:05:48,929 just people with with a you know large 106 00:05:54,539 --> 00:05:52,989 imaginations and in Hynek famously he 107 00:06:00,869 --> 00:05:54,549 was the guy that came up with a swamp 108 00:06:03,719 --> 00:06:00,879 gas phrase for for this UFO where there 109 00:06:09,329 --> 00:06:03,729 was neither a swamp in the area nor was 110 00:06:11,899 --> 00:06:09,339 there gas right yeah and and but for 111 00:06:15,509 --> 00:06:11,909 himself you know he kept on bumping into 112 00:06:17,669 --> 00:06:15,519 cases that he just could not debunk and 113 00:06:20,309 --> 00:06:17,679 they just they held up and the and the 114 00:06:22,859 --> 00:06:20,319 deeper he went into them the more solid 115 00:06:24,859 --> 00:06:22,869 they became and and he finally became 116 00:06:27,449 --> 00:06:24,869 the father of the extra-terrestrial 117 00:06:30,389 --> 00:06:27,459 hypothesis he decided we are not alone 118 00:06:33,149 --> 00:06:30,399 and right yeah that wasn't what the 119 00:06:35,939 --> 00:06:33,159 government was looking for they've run 120 00:06:37,829 --> 00:06:35,949 any other shows during this party they 121 00:06:40,469 --> 00:06:37,839 were showing us snippets of the shows he 122 00:06:44,069 --> 00:06:40,479 had all the TVs they had like like 1950 123 00:06:45,659 --> 00:06:44,079 style really old TVs everywhere and once 124 00:06:48,299 --> 00:06:45,669 in a while they had it set up so the 125 00:06:50,489 --> 00:06:48,309 lights would would start flashing like 126 00:06:53,249 --> 00:06:50,499 like there was some kind of a strange 127 00:06:55,559 --> 00:06:53,259 electrical phenomenon going on through 128 00:06:57,419 --> 00:06:55,569 the house and then the TVs would all 129 00:07:00,329 --> 00:06:57,429 turn on and then they would go into a 130 00:07:02,339 --> 00:07:00,339 snippet from the show and it looked very 131 00:07:05,069 --> 00:07:02,349 very good and they are using the 132 00:07:07,169 --> 00:07:05,079 original cases for project Bluebook 133 00:07:08,569 --> 00:07:07,179 yes some of them some of them look 134 00:07:10,649 --> 00:07:08,579 pretty interesting there there's one 135 00:07:13,769 --> 00:07:10,659 episode regarding the Lubbock lights 136 00:07:17,129 --> 00:07:13,779 there's one regarding the Gorman 137 00:07:20,009 --> 00:07:17,139 dogfight case and there's one regarding 138 00:07:22,259 --> 00:07:20,019 the flatwoods monster so the ones that I 139 00:07:24,449 --> 00:07:22,269 know they've got a few specific 140 00:07:26,579 --> 00:07:24,459 historical cases I guess it just depends 141 00:07:31,709 --> 00:07:26,589 on how they go about handling it 142 00:07:34,649 --> 00:07:31,719 yeah well it's a drama based on on 143 00:07:37,390 --> 00:07:34,659 actual events so I mean I won't be 144 00:07:40,379 --> 00:07:37,400 surprised if they show you know dr. Hine 145 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:40,389 running after a lien with a pistol seen 146 00:07:45,939 --> 00:07:43,850 the position aliens gov you know I mean 147 00:07:48,610 --> 00:07:45,949 I am hoping they don't go there or that 148 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:48,620 they don't make it too corny but you 149 00:07:54,969 --> 00:07:50,930 know it is a dramatic series based on 150 00:07:57,909 --> 00:07:54,979 real events in actual life the family is 151 00:07:59,310 --> 00:07:57,919 say they've seen they've seen episodes I 152 00:08:02,560 --> 00:07:59,320 guess they've seen the first episode 153 00:08:04,510 --> 00:08:02,570 Paula Hynek was telling me and they seem 154 00:08:05,770 --> 00:08:04,520 very happy with it so I think it's going 155 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:05,780 to be a good thing I think they're gonna 156 00:08:10,930 --> 00:08:09,050 do it tastefully and it will be drought 157 00:08:13,870 --> 00:08:10,940 you know dramatized but they're gonna 158 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:13,880 stick with as close to the facts as they 159 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:18,650 can this is what I hear so a little bit 160 00:08:22,810 --> 00:08:20,510 of background on history's upcoming new 161 00:08:24,129 --> 00:08:22,820 drama series so people know become a 162 00:08:26,230 --> 00:08:24,139 little bit more familiar about what 163 00:08:27,969 --> 00:08:26,240 we're talking about his project Bluebook 164 00:08:30,850 --> 00:08:27,979 is based on the true top-secret 165 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:30,860 investigations into unidentified flying 166 00:08:36,459 --> 00:08:33,050 objects and related phenomena conducted 167 00:08:38,260 --> 00:08:36,469 by the US Air Force from 52 to 69 and 168 00:08:41,140 --> 00:08:38,270 then just also a little bit of 169 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:41,150 information about Joseph Allen Hynek who 170 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:43,130 you've been going over 171 00:08:48,370 --> 00:08:46,040 he was an American astronomer and 172 00:08:51,550 --> 00:08:48,380 professor and also of course an iconic 173 00:08:53,860 --> 00:08:51,560 UF ologist all I wanted to ask you a 174 00:08:55,780 --> 00:08:53,870 little bit about your background 175 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:55,790 regarding when you were growing up and 176 00:09:02,890 --> 00:08:58,450 your mother I know that there was a 177 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:02,900 article done on you and your mom if for 178 00:09:09,269 --> 00:09:06,260 UFO truth truth magazine and I wanted to 179 00:09:14,019 --> 00:09:09,279 know a little bit more about that sure 180 00:09:16,449 --> 00:09:14,029 yeah my my friend and and my boss at 181 00:09:19,199 --> 00:09:16,459 MUFON Jeff Crouse who's the California 182 00:09:24,370 --> 00:09:19,209 that Southern California state director 183 00:09:26,170 --> 00:09:24,380 about three and a half years ago I it 184 00:09:28,750 --> 00:09:26,180 was actually a little longer than that 185 00:09:30,460 --> 00:09:28,760 maybe four years ago I told him about my 186 00:09:33,690 --> 00:09:30,470 mom's story and he felt that it was 187 00:09:39,430 --> 00:09:33,700 certainly worth writing an article about 188 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:39,440 my mom back in the 1950s she she worked 189 00:09:44,769 --> 00:09:42,410 for Howard Hughes she was one of Howard 190 00:09:50,170 --> 00:09:44,779 Hughes's two personal secretaries he had 191 00:09:51,130 --> 00:09:50,180 two secretaries one was my mom the he 192 00:09:53,590 --> 00:09:51,140 eventually 193 00:09:59,170 --> 00:09:53,600 had a wound up having an affair with 194 00:10:00,970 --> 00:09:59,180 actually but he anyhow my mom would 195 00:10:03,070 --> 00:10:00,980 would go and kind of he would send her 196 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:03,080 out to do his beckoning because you know 197 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:05,600 it at that point he was pretty much a 198 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:08,360 shut-in he they would communicate over 199 00:10:13,420 --> 00:10:10,970 intercoms over at the Santa Monica 200 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:13,430 office of Hughes Aircraft so this is 201 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:16,250 what 1960s then basically this was been 202 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:20,690 in the 1950s 56 they believe my mom 203 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:22,550 worked for him for I think about two and 204 00:10:30,070 --> 00:10:26,720 a half years and one of the assignments 205 00:10:32,140 --> 00:10:30,080 that he sent my mom out on he didn't 206 00:10:34,210 --> 00:10:32,150 tell my mom anything about it he sent 207 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:34,220 her in a plane and and my mom told me 208 00:10:37,870 --> 00:10:35,930 about this when I was a child I was 209 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:37,880 probably about seven years old when I 210 00:10:43,930 --> 00:10:39,920 first heard about it maybe even a little 211 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:43,940 younger but he sent her out to the great 212 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:47,690 American desert quote unquote she never 213 00:10:54,250 --> 00:10:51,710 told me which desert it was but anyhow 214 00:10:56,530 --> 00:10:54,260 they got there and they they took her in 215 00:10:59,290 --> 00:10:56,540 the bus with blacked-out windows did 216 00:11:01,840 --> 00:10:59,300 that whole deal and they delivered her 217 00:11:04,270 --> 00:11:01,850 to this little shack my mom went to the 218 00:11:06,730 --> 00:11:04,280 shack and they she had a little security 219 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:06,740 detail with her and she said that there 220 00:11:11,860 --> 00:11:09,260 was a plain old Otis Elevator like you'd 221 00:11:13,930 --> 00:11:11,870 find in a skyscraper that was in this 222 00:11:15,010 --> 00:11:13,940 little looked like a pump house or 223 00:11:18,070 --> 00:11:15,020 something there's a way that she 224 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:18,080 described it so they took her in there 225 00:11:22,810 --> 00:11:19,850 with you know the little security detail 226 00:11:26,710 --> 00:11:22,820 and my mom the doors closed and she felt 227 00:11:28,870 --> 00:11:26,720 vertigo as this thing went down she said 228 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:28,880 that it scared her because you know she 229 00:11:32,830 --> 00:11:30,530 thought maybe would go down one or two 230 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:32,840 stories but it just kept on traveling 231 00:11:38,350 --> 00:11:36,650 deep she said that when the doors opened 232 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:38,360 up that there was a little city down 233 00:11:43,660 --> 00:11:41,810 there this is back in the mid 1950s so 234 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:43,670 you have to wonder what they have now 235 00:11:47,770 --> 00:11:46,130 you know yeah really 236 00:11:49,540 --> 00:11:47,780 she said that they got a rounded little 237 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:49,550 golf carts that there are many people 238 00:11:53,260 --> 00:11:51,470 living down there that many of them were 239 00:11:55,620 --> 00:11:53,270 the German scientists that we had 240 00:11:59,140 --> 00:11:55,630 acquired through Project Paperclip 241 00:12:02,050 --> 00:11:59,150 my mom she said that she actually knew 242 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:02,060 Wernher von Braun that she thought he 243 00:12:08,379 --> 00:12:04,970 was a charming man she really liked him 244 00:12:09,819 --> 00:12:08,389 called my mom Betty Grace kind of put 245 00:12:13,389 --> 00:12:09,829 her first name and her middle name 246 00:12:17,019 --> 00:12:13,399 together and and my mom really she 247 00:12:20,079 --> 00:12:17,029 thought very highly of him but as she 248 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:20,089 described the little city under the the 249 00:12:23,980 --> 00:12:21,680 desert you know she said well there were 250 00:12:26,769 --> 00:12:23,990 cafes there they had like a cafe with 251 00:12:28,990 --> 00:12:26,779 yellow you know umbrellas over the 252 00:12:30,670 --> 00:12:29,000 tables which she thought was kind of 253 00:12:31,869 --> 00:12:30,680 funny because you know you're way under 254 00:12:33,790 --> 00:12:31,879 the ground you don't really need 255 00:12:36,490 --> 00:12:33,800 umbrellas you know there's not much 256 00:12:37,660 --> 00:12:36,500 weather down here but that you know 257 00:12:39,730 --> 00:12:37,670 apparently they were trying to make 258 00:12:41,740 --> 00:12:39,740 people feel very at home they had a 259 00:12:44,019 --> 00:12:41,750 movie theater she said that she even had 260 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:44,029 a guy down there that she could go to to 261 00:12:49,090 --> 00:12:46,490 have her hair done you know Barbara she 262 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:49,100 said yeah and apparently people live 263 00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:52,790 down there and so I kind of I grew up 264 00:13:00,400 --> 00:12:57,279 with that bit of a satiric knowledge and 265 00:13:02,019 --> 00:13:00,410 if my mom was in a good mood or she was 266 00:13:04,809 --> 00:13:02,029 comfortable talking she would give me 267 00:13:09,220 --> 00:13:04,819 little you know little bits and pieces 268 00:13:11,079 --> 00:13:09,230 of her story of course she had high 269 00:13:12,790 --> 00:13:11,089 security clearances and she was 270 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:12,800 certainly not supposed to tell her 271 00:13:20,110 --> 00:13:17,170 little son about her work you know or 272 00:13:25,199 --> 00:13:20,120 such a thing that we had this is the 273 00:13:27,579 --> 00:13:25,209 secretive city that was underground but 274 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:27,589 separate from talking about the 275 00:13:33,579 --> 00:13:29,990 underground base my mom always spoke 276 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:33,589 with great authority about about life 277 00:13:40,509 --> 00:13:38,689 that was from other planets she told me 278 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:40,519 that the that our government knew that 279 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:46,069 we weren't alone and that and that she 280 00:13:50,199 --> 00:13:48,410 told me once I took her to see Star Wars 281 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:50,209 when it first came out the very first 282 00:13:55,809 --> 00:13:52,610 one trying to get her to talk a little 283 00:13:57,519 --> 00:13:55,819 bit more and my mom after the film she 284 00:13:58,420 --> 00:13:57,529 got kind of excited and she said well 285 00:14:00,490 --> 00:13:58,430 you know son 286 00:14:03,629 --> 00:14:00,500 Star Wars is not all that far-fetched 287 00:14:06,549 --> 00:14:03,639 it's not far-fetched at all said 288 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:06,559 intelligent life in the universe is is a 289 00:14:12,220 --> 00:14:08,990 very very real thing we know about it 290 00:14:14,730 --> 00:14:12,230 and she said it's it's real it's real er 291 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:14,740 than you will probably ever know my son 292 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:18,769 and that was my mom she was a very entry 293 00:14:26,499 --> 00:14:21,649 woman she she knew some very interesting 294 00:14:29,169 --> 00:14:26,509 and top-secret things and later on in 295 00:14:31,989 --> 00:14:29,179 life my mom start you know she became a 296 00:14:34,479 --> 00:14:31,999 housewife for many years and she had to 297 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:34,489 go back to work back in the mid 70s and 298 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:36,470 so she kind of got a little less 299 00:14:41,739 --> 00:14:39,110 loquacious about what she had done and 300 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:41,749 what she had said before so I'd have to 301 00:14:46,539 --> 00:14:44,480 kind of work to get to get information 302 00:14:48,819 --> 00:14:46,549 out of her after she had gone back to 303 00:14:51,220 --> 00:14:48,829 work because you know she started 304 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:51,230 working as a headhunter a corporate 305 00:14:57,220 --> 00:14:54,410 headhunter for Lockheed skunk works for 306 00:15:01,059 --> 00:14:57,230 Rocketdyne for rockwell North American 307 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:01,069 Rockwell she was kind of finding 308 00:15:07,389 --> 00:15:03,529 scientists for all you know for all of 309 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:07,399 the different major aerospace and 310 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:11,929 military contractors out there so so it 311 00:15:17,049 --> 00:15:13,610 would take a little more work to get my 312 00:15:19,150 --> 00:15:17,059 mom to talk about this stuff yeah just 313 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:19,160 just to give a little background to our 314 00:15:23,369 --> 00:15:21,410 listeners about Operation Paperclip that 315 00:15:26,259 --> 00:15:23,379 you mentioned it was a secret program 316 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:26,269 the Joint Intelligence objectives agency 317 00:15:31,629 --> 00:15:28,910 largely carried out by special agents of 318 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:31,639 the Army in which more than 1,600 German 319 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:33,290 scientists engineers and technicians 320 00:15:38,829 --> 00:15:36,529 such as Verner von braun and as v2 321 00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,839 rocket team were recruited after the end 322 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:40,639 of world war ii and germany and taken to 323 00:15:46,989 --> 00:15:42,649 the US for government employment 324 00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:46,999 primarily between 45 and 1959 and many 325 00:15:51,850 --> 00:15:49,040 were former members and some were former 326 00:15:53,470 --> 00:15:51,860 leaders of the Nazi Party of course also 327 00:15:59,379 --> 00:15:53,480 wanted to just give a little background 328 00:16:01,210 --> 00:15:59,389 on Wernher von Braun he was a german 329 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:01,220 american aerospace engineer and a space 330 00:16:07,150 --> 00:16:04,730 architect well when you were a kid you 331 00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:07,160 had a natural obsession with the topic 332 00:16:17,859 --> 00:16:09,980 of UF ology and is it true that you were 333 00:16:20,139 --> 00:16:17,869 building a spaceship or my knowledge and 334 00:16:23,769 --> 00:16:20,149 aerospace was mostly derived from you 335 00:16:27,909 --> 00:16:23,779 know Felix the Cat cartoons ooh from the 336 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:27,919 Flintstones and such you know what The 337 00:16:32,590 --> 00:16:31,610 Jetsons right but for some reason and 338 00:16:34,210 --> 00:16:32,600 this was even before 339 00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:34,220 my mom ever really talked about this 340 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:35,870 stuff I've always just had a propensity 341 00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:40,370 for for outer space I've been in love 342 00:16:46,329 --> 00:16:44,480 with it and I remember I was maybe four 343 00:16:48,579 --> 00:16:46,339 years old my dad had built a wooden 344 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:48,589 swing set in our backyard in Venice 345 00:16:56,170 --> 00:16:52,940 California where I'd grown up and there 346 00:16:57,759 --> 00:16:56,180 was some leftover lumber and so and I 347 00:16:59,410 --> 00:16:57,769 had like the little space helmet I mean 348 00:17:02,259 --> 00:16:59,420 we all had the little ray gun and the 349 00:17:06,429 --> 00:17:02,269 space helmet we're talking you know 1960 350 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:06,439 61 here 61 I guess it would have been so 351 00:17:10,779 --> 00:17:09,230 I you know sort of hammered together 352 00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:10,789 what I thought was a good approximation 353 00:17:15,549 --> 00:17:13,520 of a spaceship and I begged my dad to 354 00:17:18,699 --> 00:17:15,559 haul that up to the top of the swing set 355 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:18,709 and he finally did he finally hauled it 356 00:17:22,689 --> 00:17:20,809 up there and I remember climbing up 357 00:17:25,390 --> 00:17:22,699 there and I guess that I was up there 358 00:17:28,449 --> 00:17:25,400 waving at the sky singing and saying 359 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:28,459 hello I remember that my mom you know 360 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:29,840 she looks out the window and she says 361 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:32,960 son what are you doing I said well I'm 362 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:35,330 saying hi to the space people mom I'm 363 00:17:42,029 --> 00:17:39,250 saying hello to the space people and I I 364 00:17:44,350 --> 00:17:42,039 look back on that with a smile because 365 00:17:45,610 --> 00:17:44,360 honestly it's full circle that's what 366 00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:45,620 I'm doing you know 367 00:17:53,770 --> 00:17:49,150 now today you know 60 years well 55 368 00:17:56,289 --> 00:17:53,780 years after that event you know I'm 369 00:18:01,450 --> 00:17:56,299 looking for and waving to the space 370 00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:01,460 people more or less so Chris Squire was 371 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:05,120 a dear friend of yours of yes who um 372 00:18:11,020 --> 00:18:07,730 very sadly we lost three years ago from 373 00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:11,030 leukemia and my understanding is he 374 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:13,580 loved to talk about UFOs with you and he 375 00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:15,590 did have a sighting of a daylight flying 376 00:18:22,049 --> 00:18:19,520 disc while on tour in 1976 can you give 377 00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:22,059 us a little bit of background on that 378 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:24,799 sure I can 379 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:28,010 yeah I you know I'm a musician as well 380 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:31,730 and and at one point I was a I've been a 381 00:18:36,850 --> 00:18:34,370 fan of the band yes the the progressive 382 00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:36,860 rock band since I was a kid 383 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:39,440 I saw them in concert the first time 384 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:43,510 back in 1974 and I wound up as an 385 00:18:50,140 --> 00:18:46,340 administrator on yes Vance com 386 00:18:55,419 --> 00:18:50,150 I was doing this for 10 years from from 387 00:18:58,180 --> 00:18:55,429 the early 2000s until about 2010 and 388 00:19:00,490 --> 00:18:58,190 during that time I actually got to know 389 00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:00,500 and and become really close friends with 390 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:03,140 one of the greatest musicians in the 391 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:04,850 world I mean I still think he was the 392 00:19:11,649 --> 00:19:07,730 greatest bass player of our time was 393 00:19:15,610 --> 00:19:11,659 Chris Squire of yes and the man had a 394 00:19:18,940 --> 00:19:15,620 fascination with UFOs it went back to as 395 00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:18,950 you were saying chant 1976 they were on 396 00:19:23,950 --> 00:19:21,919 tour in England and at this point the 397 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:23,960 band members they could all have their 398 00:19:27,850 --> 00:19:26,090 own driver and their own little caravan 399 00:19:30,220 --> 00:19:27,860 bus you know it's sort of like a 400 00:19:33,399 --> 00:19:30,230 different little van for each member in 401 00:19:35,950 --> 00:19:33,409 the band so Chris was with his driver 402 00:19:40,149 --> 00:19:35,960 and they're driving driving to the next 403 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:40,159 stop on their tour and Chris had to go 404 00:19:46,269 --> 00:19:44,090 and relieve himself and so he had to his 405 00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:46,279 friend pulled the bus over and he was 406 00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:47,929 out in this field in the middle of 407 00:19:53,710 --> 00:19:51,350 nowhere and in Britain when he was 408 00:19:55,899 --> 00:19:53,720 literally hovered over by a flying 409 00:19:57,820 --> 00:19:55,909 saucer and he thought it was kind of I 410 00:19:59,740 --> 00:19:57,830 mean it he found the humor in that that 411 00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,750 he's out you know peeing and the in the 412 00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:02,000 field and then suddenly he sees the most 413 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:03,950 amazing thing he had ever seen in his 414 00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:06,230 life and of course I asked him I said 415 00:20:11,139 --> 00:20:08,630 well really anything at the time Chris 416 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:11,149 you know it was like no no he said no 417 00:20:15,450 --> 00:20:13,130 you know we were trying to we were being 418 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:15,460 good you know I would take turns driving 419 00:20:23,340 --> 00:20:19,370 and you know that was the whole thing he 420 00:20:28,510 --> 00:20:26,919 was always a love-hate relationship you 421 00:20:31,930 --> 00:20:28,520 know it gets like that when you're in a 422 00:20:33,970 --> 00:20:31,940 band sometimes but he had a you know the 423 00:20:37,389 --> 00:20:33,980 a very close encounter with a flying 424 00:20:41,139 --> 00:20:37,399 disc he said that was about maybe 40 425 00:20:44,139 --> 00:20:41,149 feet away from him about 35 to 40 feet 426 00:20:46,779 --> 00:20:44,149 across the disc was that it had a dome 427 00:20:49,779 --> 00:20:46,789 on top and it looked like it had windows 428 00:20:52,779 --> 00:20:49,789 and that changed the course in his life 429 00:20:55,090 --> 00:20:52,789 he he suddenly knew that we weren't 430 00:20:59,289 --> 00:20:55,100 alone that things were not quite the way 431 00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:59,299 that they seemed and so he would talk we 432 00:21:02,059 --> 00:20:59,940 would we would 433 00:21:04,959 --> 00:21:02,069 get together we would you know Chris 434 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:04,969 enjoyed fine wine and we would sort of 435 00:21:12,529 --> 00:21:08,190 sometimes go until 2 a.m. talking about 436 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:12,539 this stuff yeah yeah you also wrote that 437 00:21:18,589 --> 00:21:15,690 song arriving UFO I was just a pramana I 438 00:21:20,239 --> 00:21:18,599 think that one I think John Anderson 439 00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,249 might have ridden that one but he wrote 440 00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:23,039 that about Chris's Chris's sighting that 441 00:21:28,819 --> 00:21:26,429 is about Chris that song okay John 442 00:21:30,439 --> 00:21:28,829 Anderson addressing it in a song I don't 443 00:21:31,879 --> 00:21:30,449 think Chris actually he might have 444 00:21:34,399 --> 00:21:31,889 written the bass part which was pretty 445 00:21:37,089 --> 00:21:34,409 cool they put through a synthesizer to 446 00:21:39,349 --> 00:21:37,099 get some of the sounds that they used I 447 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:39,359 like to play it but we don't have the 448 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:43,440 license to do it so yeah now I had one 449 00:21:48,649 --> 00:21:45,690 conversation with Chris where we were 450 00:21:51,859 --> 00:21:48,659 talking about jock valets us from the 451 00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:51,869 future hypothesis where where jock 452 00:21:57,199 --> 00:21:54,569 Philly thought that perhaps some UFOs 453 00:21:59,809 --> 00:21:57,209 might be time travelers from the future 454 00:22:02,689 --> 00:21:59,819 and that that might actually be us you 455 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:02,699 know check in on the past tourists even 456 00:22:10,399 --> 00:22:07,379 maybe or scientists historians and I 457 00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:10,409 brought that concept up to Chris and he 458 00:22:14,509 --> 00:22:12,419 was just mind blown about it he never 459 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:14,519 heard that one and Chris was real 460 00:22:18,259 --> 00:22:16,169 interested in this stuff he knew about 461 00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:18,269 he knew a lot about it but he had never 462 00:22:23,629 --> 00:22:21,659 heard that one so it was maybe 2 a.m. 463 00:22:25,699 --> 00:22:23,639 I'm getting ready to leave the you know 464 00:22:27,169 --> 00:22:25,709 they would rent a an apartment out in 465 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:27,179 Hollywood when they were you know 466 00:22:33,019 --> 00:22:29,129 working on records and stuff out here 467 00:22:33,979 --> 00:22:33,029 this is like 2008 and Chris grabs me as 468 00:22:38,629 --> 00:22:33,989 I'm going out the door 469 00:22:41,299 --> 00:22:38,639 and he said oh oh as a post-it pad in 470 00:22:44,869 --> 00:22:41,309 his hand a pen or pee for me exactly 471 00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:44,879 what you said about about the future us 472 00:22:49,419 --> 00:22:47,500 from it and it's like okay hold on Chris 473 00:22:55,939 --> 00:22:49,429 [Laughter] 474 00:22:58,399 --> 00:22:55,949 UFOs maybe just us from the future 475 00:23:01,039 --> 00:22:58,409 aliens might just be us from the future 476 00:23:03,979 --> 00:23:01,049 and he wrote that down on this post at 477 00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:03,989 pad he gave me a bear hug it kind of 478 00:23:08,269 --> 00:23:05,940 lifted me off the ground and Chris was 479 00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:08,279 Chris wasn't one to give you bear hugs I 480 00:23:13,009 --> 00:23:09,539 think it might have been the only bear 481 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:13,019 hug I ever ever got from a man but I 482 00:23:15,530 --> 00:23:13,650 love 483 00:23:17,030 --> 00:23:15,540 tonight you know I was smiling and then 484 00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:17,040 thinking you know I'll good old Chris 485 00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:18,900 that was fun you know and never thought 486 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:23,700 again about it the next yes tour we went 487 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:26,250 to see the band I believe it was in San 488 00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:29,790 Diego at Humphreys pavilion I think it's 489 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:32,460 called and they played a new song called 490 00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:34,950 aliens are only us from the future 491 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:38,580 that's fantastic and I kind of sat there 492 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:40,650 my jaw dropped and I'm thinking well 493 00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:45,210 there's my 15 minutes of Andy Warhol and 494 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:47,280 they ended up recording that song with 495 00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:50,070 Steve Hackett of Genesis yes yes you can 496 00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:51,630 album you got that they were they 497 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:53,790 recorded called squawk it is that right 498 00:23:59,060 --> 00:23:57,120 let's crack it yeah yeah it's choir it's 499 00:24:02,120 --> 00:23:59,070 a beautiful recording you can find it on 500 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:02,130 YouTube just put up aliens Chris Squire 501 00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:04,110 and it'll pop right up there we go yeah 502 00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:09,600 I'm gonna spell it to squ a c ke TT well 503 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:11,880 you've been deeply embedded in the realm 504 00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:14,850 of rock and roll for a long time can you 505 00:24:24,620 --> 00:24:18,870 tell us a little bit about that sure as 506 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:24,630 a kid I listened to a lot of music all 507 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,310 my life my father is a classical 508 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:29,520 musician his classical vocalist and you 509 00:24:35,660 --> 00:24:32,010 know I grew up around Bach and my dad 510 00:24:39,050 --> 00:24:35,670 you know but switched-on Bach you know 511 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,060 the the the record by Wendy Carlos that 512 00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:42,240 Bob Moog kind of helped him with all the 513 00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:45,150 synthesizers and taught him how to use 514 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:48,780 everything and is just high school grew 515 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:51,330 up around a lot of music my uncle would 516 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:53,370 always slip me the new Beatles record 517 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:55,770 when I would come out so when I was 518 00:25:01,040 --> 00:24:58,890 about 12 years old I asked for a drum 519 00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:01,050 set for Christmas and I got the acoustic 520 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:08,460 guitar instead smart parents but I kind 521 00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:10,290 of took to it like a fish to water you 522 00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:13,710 know I I started I taught myself later 523 00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:15,720 on I did take lessons from a really 524 00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:19,020 great jazz jazz guy Bob Dore was his 525 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:23,940 name but anyhow I started writing my own 526 00:25:27,580 --> 00:25:27,150 songs when I was in junior high school I 527 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:27,590 had a 528 00:25:31,539 --> 00:25:30,049 very smart English teacher who found you 529 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:31,549 know she heard me playing guitar and 530 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:33,110 singing to a couple of friends and she 531 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,450 said and you wrote that I said yeah I 532 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:37,520 did she said the lyrics to I said yeah 533 00:25:42,490 --> 00:25:39,770 and she said you know I'll give you 534 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:42,500 extra credit in English for if you you 535 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:44,210 know play in front of the class just 536 00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:46,490 play your own composition you can do it 537 00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:48,820 as many times as you want you know and 538 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:52,460 that'll be extra credit for you and so I 539 00:25:57,490 --> 00:25:54,890 started doing that and it got me so that 540 00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:57,500 I started methodically writing because I 541 00:26:01,090 --> 00:25:59,450 had a goal you know I wasn't getting 542 00:26:04,299 --> 00:26:01,100 paid by a record company but I was 543 00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,309 getting you know a plus and English and 544 00:26:10,389 --> 00:26:07,279 maybe I would sort of not do so well on 545 00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,399 the grammar you know test could make up 546 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,039 for it by writing a new song and and I 547 00:26:16,330 --> 00:26:14,960 and the teacher was she was great but 548 00:26:17,769 --> 00:26:16,340 she would be kind of critical she would 549 00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:17,779 say well yeah you know you're writing 550 00:26:23,019 --> 00:26:20,120 about girls and you're writing about you 551 00:26:25,419 --> 00:26:23,029 know cars and this and that but can you 552 00:26:28,389 --> 00:26:25,429 write about you know say write something 553 00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:28,399 political or write something spiritual 554 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:31,220 or and so I I learned how to write 555 00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,370 because of this teacher mrs. seal was 556 00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:35,840 her name 557 00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:42,080 this is back 1971-72 so I learned how to 558 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:43,820 play and I learned how to play in front 559 00:26:50,769 --> 00:26:47,890 of people and I started playing in bands 560 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:50,779 towards the end of the 1970s I got my 561 00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:52,940 first professional gig which was with a 562 00:27:01,149 --> 00:26:56,360 black gospel funk band it was called the 563 00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:01,159 gallery gospel review and the way that 564 00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:04,460 worked was was that our manager was I 565 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:08,390 Campina Turner's old sound man and he he 566 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:11,600 was like he'd kind of he'd quit working 567 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:13,610 for Ike and Tina because his nose 568 00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,450 couldn't take it anymore I don't know if 569 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:19,520 I need to elaborate on that right that 570 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:21,770 yeah he told the story about how that 571 00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,510 something was wrong with the sound board 572 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:26,000 they sent it to the to the fix-it guys 573 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:28,610 and they sent the sound board back and a 574 00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:30,950 little bag of white powder along with it 575 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:32,750 they said this is why it moved the 576 00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:35,570 little pant you know pop yeah it's 577 00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,840 mixing boy so he got sick of that kind 578 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:41,360 of lifestyle and he was a church guy 579 00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:43,250 went to the you know Church of God in 580 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:46,340 Christ out in watts California 581 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:48,650 and he had a little recording studio set 582 00:27:52,510 --> 00:27:51,049 up right in the church so he decided 583 00:27:55,539 --> 00:27:52,520 well what if I put together something 584 00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:55,549 like I can Tina's you know review but 585 00:27:59,470 --> 00:27:56,990 we're you know there isn't all this 586 00:28:02,770 --> 00:27:59,480 white powder and bad stuff going on 587 00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:02,780 around it so I actually got the gig you 588 00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:04,940 know the couple of the guys heard me you 589 00:28:09,130 --> 00:28:06,950 know trying out a couple of pedals and 590 00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:09,140 the old Guitar Center in Hollywood and 591 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:11,390 they pulled me aside and they said hey 592 00:28:15,789 --> 00:28:13,610 you know we're looking for somebody a 593 00:28:18,850 --> 00:28:15,799 you know a rock lead guitar player that 594 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:18,860 can also you know play funk stuff and do 595 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:20,210 right by the way do you write your own 596 00:28:26,169 --> 00:28:22,130 stuff you know it's a revue 597 00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:26,179 it's like yeah you know I do in like a 598 00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:28,460 whirlwind you know I was invited to the 599 00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:31,190 next rehearsal it was 17 piece band they 600 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:33,260 had a horn section you know a couple of 601 00:28:37,810 --> 00:28:36,410 guys were in Rufus with Chaka Khan a lot 602 00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:37,820 of people have played with Barry White 603 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:40,720 and and and just you know it was an R&B 604 00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:44,090 just R&B heaven and I didn't actually 605 00:28:50,409 --> 00:28:47,390 have a background in R&B I quickly 606 00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,419 acquired one and so that was kind of the 607 00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,360 first professional gig I ever had and we 608 00:28:59,169 --> 00:28:56,000 went on to play many many festivals we 609 00:29:00,880 --> 00:28:59,179 opened up for Al Green Marvin Gaye we 610 00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:00,890 opened up for Billy Preston at the old 611 00:29:09,159 --> 00:29:03,950 Aquarius Theatre in Hollywood we even 612 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:09,169 won the gong show and that's kind of how 613 00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,590 I got my start in music we you know 614 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:14,480 Warner Brothers was interested in us and 615 00:29:21,070 --> 00:29:17,690 we actually recorded demos quote-unquote 616 00:29:22,659 --> 00:29:21,080 which could have been an album but our 617 00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:22,669 manager kind of you know it was a 618 00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:24,740 seventeen piece band and he was trying 619 00:29:31,150 --> 00:29:27,470 to make it so that we could all live on 620 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,160 our salary you know and say you know 621 00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:33,679 it's going 17 ways that's not exactly 622 00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:36,950 like paying a folk duo or the you know 623 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:40,580 four guys in a rock band so I think he 624 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:42,440 held out too long and they finally 625 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:46,880 became uninterested in us and so I went 626 00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:51,280 on to kind of doing my own shows I 627 00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:53,750 eventually put out three different CDs 628 00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:55,040 mostly acoustic 629 00:30:00,190 --> 00:29:56,990 stuff although I still can shred on 630 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:00,200 electric and do for people and and 631 00:30:05,770 --> 00:30:02,090 currently you know I do studio work for 632 00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:05,780 people I do my own recordings and it's 633 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:08,020 one of the great passions in my life 634 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:10,130 that's great I you know I wanted to 635 00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:12,410 bring up Peter Robbins your friend and 636 00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:13,910 mentor but I wanted to bring up buddy 637 00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:15,860 Hopkins first a little bit of background 638 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:19,310 on him Budd Hopkins the famous you 639 00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:22,330 apologist he was also an abstract 640 00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:27,500 painter the one of his assistants or the 641 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:30,620 assistant for him was Peter Robbins your 642 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:32,930 friend and mentor can you tell us a 643 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:36,080 little bit more about that well Peter I 644 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:39,410 met actually through Facebook who 645 00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:42,290 introduced me to him was my boss at 646 00:30:47,710 --> 00:30:45,080 MUFON was my state director Jeff Crouse 647 00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:47,720 if you're out there Jeff hello there's 648 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:52,310 your shout out for the day the but Jeff 649 00:30:57,850 --> 00:30:55,850 you know he you know he's he's who got 650 00:31:00,670 --> 00:30:57,860 me to work for MUFON in the first place 651 00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:00,680 and I I was really kind of armchair 652 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:03,230 about the phenomenon and so I just made 653 00:31:07,770 --> 00:31:06,050 the big dive into the pool and decided I 654 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:07,780 want to do this for myself 655 00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:12,530 and I one of the first cases I had I it 656 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:14,870 was the first unknown that I ever closed 657 00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:17,720 and it was an abduction case that 658 00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:19,820 involved an entire family in the middle 659 00:31:26,530 --> 00:31:24,470 of the desert near China Lake and there 660 00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:26,540 was eight hours of missing time in this 661 00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:30,380 case and I I researched it really deeply 662 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,360 and Jeff was very happy with the results 663 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:37,760 and and that was my very first the first 664 00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:41,690 case I ever closed as an unknown Jeff 665 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:43,190 saw that I had a propensity for 666 00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:45,770 abduction and visitation cases the high 667 00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:49,340 strangeness stuff so he he wanted me to 668 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:51,590 meet Peter Robbins as he did work for 669 00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:54,290 Budd Hopkins and kind of spearheaded the 670 00:32:00,820 --> 00:31:57,950 abduction movement more or less the the 671 00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:00,830 investigation of that and you know I 672 00:32:08,770 --> 00:32:03,590 mean Budd was one of the first people to 673 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:08,780 really use you know hypnotic regression 674 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:11,510 and and he did all this with you know 675 00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:13,310 while holding on to scientific 676 00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:17,150 principles which is very important to 677 00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,230 Jeff in to myself so Peter is is sort of 678 00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:23,840 he was Budd Hopkins assistant he was sat 679 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,270 in on and assisted on many of the 680 00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:29,360 regressions he kind of helped bud keep 681 00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:31,430 all this paperwork in line because Budd 682 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:34,190 was notorious for sort of being yeah 683 00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:36,410 he's like me you know I'm looking at my 684 00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:38,360 office here it's you know I've got this 685 00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:40,400 case in that case and the other you know 686 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:42,230 they're kind of scattered on my desk and 687 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:44,450 you know on the edge of the bed and here 688 00:32:51,790 --> 00:32:49,250 you know but but Peter was was more of 689 00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:51,800 an organizer he comes from an artistic 690 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:54,260 background peter is a abstract artist as 691 00:33:01,060 --> 00:32:58,010 well yeah and is one of my dearest and 692 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:01,070 closest friends I love Peter like I love 693 00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:03,650 I love the man like God and as far as 694 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:05,960 ufology goes I can't really speak of 695 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:08,570 anybody more hotly than than Peter 696 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:12,050 Robbins wanted to ask you are there any 697 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:14,570 other cases that you wanted to bring up 698 00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:18,710 that have been a particular interest to 699 00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:21,230 you that kind of pop out to you more 700 00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,630 than the other show of high strangeness 701 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:26,480 something that you know that that you 702 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:30,770 really enjoyed investigating sure I have 703 00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:33,530 I have a couple I knew I was going to be 704 00:33:39,670 --> 00:33:35,060 doing this today so I brought a couple 705 00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:39,680 of these up on my iPad here let me see 706 00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:44,300 here I have one here that that's pretty 707 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:47,870 interesting and I think you'll like this 708 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:48,410 one 709 00:34:00,000 --> 00:33:55,370 happened a few years ago back in 1992 710 00:34:02,890 --> 00:34:00,010 actually but the man that reported this 711 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:02,900 who who I have to keep anonymous because 712 00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:07,090 he is a writer and he works out there 713 00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:09,800 and and you know I mean people are 714 00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:11,780 scared to have their names attached to 715 00:34:16,990 --> 00:34:14,030 this sometimes because there is still a 716 00:34:19,060 --> 00:34:17,000 ridicule element out there especially if 717 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:19,070 you see something as strange as this 718 00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:21,530 gentleman saw but I'll just read his 719 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:22,700 original 720 00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:25,730 statement from the report he put into to 721 00:34:33,309 --> 00:34:29,960 MUFON I was driving home from a date 722 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:33,319 late in mid-august 1992 I lived in 723 00:34:37,629 --> 00:34:35,690 Lomita but it was a beautiful night so I 724 00:34:40,539 --> 00:34:37,639 decided to take the long way home by 725 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:40,549 taking Palace virtus drive north which 726 00:34:46,779 --> 00:34:42,970 snakes along the cliffs of palos verdes 727 00:34:49,029 --> 00:34:46,789 that's up near San Diego area after 728 00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,039 driving through Lunada Bay I could see 729 00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:50,720 in the distance a greenish glow coming 730 00:34:57,539 --> 00:34:54,230 from Point vincentico v' as I got closer 731 00:34:59,769 --> 00:34:57,549 the greenish bio luminescent glow grew I 732 00:35:03,220 --> 00:34:59,779 finally rounded the corner where the 733 00:35:06,609 --> 00:35:03,230 turnout to the K to the cove was and the 734 00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,619 glow by then was all-consuming I pulled 735 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:08,480 the car over in the turnout they have 736 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:10,250 their half expecting to see a movie 737 00:35:14,349 --> 00:35:12,740 being shot I got out of the car and as I 738 00:35:16,509 --> 00:35:14,359 walked over to the cliff's edge I 739 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:16,519 noticed three people to my left looking 740 00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,849 down at whatever was in the cove it was 741 00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:21,680 unusual because I saw no other car 742 00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:23,900 parked there it was dark but I could 743 00:35:29,289 --> 00:35:25,880 tell that this was a family of three a 744 00:35:32,049 --> 00:35:29,299 mom a dad and a small boy the mother had 745 00:35:33,970 --> 00:35:32,059 her arm around the child I continued to 746 00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:33,980 the cliff's edge and I peered over and 747 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:36,220 directly in the exact middle of the Cove 748 00:35:42,789 --> 00:35:38,690 hovering 8 feet above the water was a 749 00:35:45,339 --> 00:35:42,799 classic shaped saucer domed craft weand 750 00:35:48,670 --> 00:35:45,349 with green lights no more than fifty 751 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:48,680 yards from me it was big it was at least 752 00:35:53,319 --> 00:35:49,730 40 feet across 753 00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:53,329 it was domed and it had unreal skin the 754 00:35:58,210 --> 00:35:55,190 closest thing I could compare it to is a 755 00:36:00,130 --> 00:35:58,220 slick oily puddle the rainbow colors 756 00:36:03,999 --> 00:36:00,140 were dull but prismatic and had a 757 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:04,009 swirling motion it began to hum as it 758 00:36:09,009 --> 00:36:06,049 did begin to hum the water beneath it 759 00:36:11,289 --> 00:36:09,019 began to bubble and steam I yelled over 760 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:11,299 the family left of me but they stood 761 00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:14,089 there silently motionless mesmerized by 762 00:36:18,730 --> 00:36:16,220 what they were seeing or so I thought 763 00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:18,740 I was beginning to get spooked I wanted 764 00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:20,750 to see the craft submerge or take off 765 00:36:25,059 --> 00:36:22,460 but I was getting an overwhelming 766 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:25,069 feeling of dread I couldn't believe my 767 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:27,890 luck and or my eyes seeing this 768 00:36:32,499 --> 00:36:30,529 astonishment up so close and personal I 769 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,509 looked over to the family but they were 770 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:34,160 rounding the corner heading down the 771 00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:36,710 path that led to the water's edge 772 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:38,660 that was it I wasn't going to stick 773 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:41,210 around I got into my car and I took off 774 00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:43,849 the story has been weighing on my 775 00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:46,310 shoulders and weighing down my mind very 776 00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,180 much lately it's really really good for 777 00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:52,880 me to tell you about this finally I held 778 00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:54,950 on to it for years thank you for the 779 00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:00,560 catharsis that was his that I got that 780 00:37:08,829 --> 00:37:03,230 as a case you know it came into my email 781 00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,839 box nice yeah and many of the things 782 00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:10,880 that he talks about the water bubbling 783 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:15,260 in the recent tic-tac UFO encounter with 784 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:19,130 the the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier he 785 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:22,130 described the exact same effect when 786 00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:24,890 they saw the object go from way high in 787 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:28,400 the sky down to you know level with the 788 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:30,290 water that they could see the water 789 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:34,160 boiling you know where the craft was it 790 00:37:37,569 --> 00:37:36,290 sounds like the Wanaque reservoir case 791 00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:37,579 in New Jersey I don't know if you're 792 00:37:42,819 --> 00:37:41,000 familiar with that but that from 64 in 793 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:42,829 North Jersey something very similar 794 00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:45,290 hovering right over a reservoir in 795 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:49,880 northern New Jersey yeah yeah I mean I 796 00:37:54,430 --> 00:37:52,010 it was a really good case III 797 00:37:58,540 --> 00:37:54,440 you know with this case I only had one 798 00:38:00,280 --> 00:37:58,550 witness so what you do or what I do when 799 00:38:02,890 --> 00:38:00,290 I have a case like this where there's 800 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:02,900 only one witness I'll grill them on 801 00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:06,560 multiple occasions you know we we 802 00:38:11,260 --> 00:38:09,020 generally take three months to close any 803 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:11,270 case that we get through MUFON sometimes 804 00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:13,700 we'll keep them open longer if the you 805 00:38:18,849 --> 00:38:16,310 know evidence keeps coming in with this 806 00:38:21,130 --> 00:38:18,859 one I kept it open for for a little over 807 00:38:24,309 --> 00:38:21,140 three months because I kept going back 808 00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:24,319 and and having him retell the story you 809 00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,640 know I call cold call the guy and every 810 00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:30,560 time it was the same he would become 811 00:38:36,339 --> 00:38:33,950 very emotional he was you could tell 812 00:38:38,349 --> 00:38:36,349 that he was he wasn't reading something 813 00:38:39,849 --> 00:38:38,359 or making something up he was he was 814 00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:39,859 describing something that he had 815 00:38:46,839 --> 00:38:44,180 witnessed and seen I was really I was 816 00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:46,849 astounded by some of the details like 817 00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,950 the surface of the disc being all a 818 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:50,240 swirl with rainbow 819 00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:52,850 colors you know prismatic effect and 820 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:54,940 I've heard that before with other cases 821 00:39:02,260 --> 00:38:58,490 but he described it quite eloquently I 822 00:39:04,359 --> 00:39:02,270 thought and after interviewing him four 823 00:39:06,130 --> 00:39:04,369 times in a row I ran it past my boss 824 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:06,140 Jeff I said I really want to give this 825 00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:08,810 one an unknown usually we like to have 826 00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:11,180 you know it's you want to have more than 827 00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:14,390 one witness but this one the gentleman 828 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:17,750 was so well-spoken and so knowledgeable 829 00:39:21,850 --> 00:39:20,210 he had no background in UFOs at all this 830 00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:21,860 was one incident there was something 831 00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:25,670 that he had seen you know he it wasn't 832 00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:27,950 like he was running off to alien con or 833 00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:31,340 you know writing stuff on about et on 834 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:33,230 the internet you know he is just a 835 00:39:39,609 --> 00:39:35,570 normal Joe who would add an 836 00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:39,619 extraordinary sighting so that one I did 837 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:43,040 give a an unknown classification to and 838 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:47,090 and it's it's kind of an astounding case 839 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:50,690 that's one of my favorites actually yeah 840 00:39:54,370 --> 00:39:52,730 Frank did you have any questions that 841 00:39:56,859 --> 00:39:54,380 you wanted to bring up with Earl 842 00:39:58,180 --> 00:39:56,869 well yeah going back to that case now 843 00:40:00,280 --> 00:39:58,190 I've got the three drawings that you 844 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:00,290 sent along was the drawing with the 845 00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:02,330 saucer or with the little wing is that 846 00:40:05,710 --> 00:40:04,190 that basically yeah the case you just 847 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:05,720 described or is that a different case 848 00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:08,090 that's a brand-new case okay that's the 849 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:11,510 most recent unknown that I've got and 850 00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:13,730 I'll tell you you know as far as the way 851 00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:19,880 that unknowns go it's my experience that 852 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:23,960 90 to 95% of the reports I get and can 853 00:40:28,930 --> 00:40:26,930 be described as you half of them I know 854 00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:28,940 what I'm looking at as soon as I open 855 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:30,710 the report you know it's usually a drone 856 00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:34,010 it's it sometimes will get rate you know 857 00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:36,440 radar kites you know they're being 858 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:39,260 carried by a weather balloon and you 859 00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:41,330 hate that you know it's like because you 860 00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:43,220 know that that Roswell was blamed on a 861 00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:45,080 weather balloon and that was no weather 862 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:46,940 balloon yes sometimes they are weather 863 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:50,570 would exert sometimes they are yes 864 00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:52,460 sometimes they are I've had a few 865 00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:54,260 weather balloons I've even seen one 866 00:41:02,280 --> 00:40:54,980 myself 867 00:41:03,579 --> 00:41:02,290 through a telescope yet but but this 868 00:41:07,769 --> 00:41:03,589 this 869 00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:07,779 particular case here is my newest 870 00:41:17,049 --> 00:41:12,079 unknown I attacked it from all sides 871 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:17,059 and actually this is next to the you 872 00:41:20,499 --> 00:41:18,890 know this is the most recent unknown 873 00:41:25,809 --> 00:41:20,509 because I closed this on the fourth of 874 00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:25,819 January I'll read you the synopsis of 875 00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:31,670 his case okay on Sunday August 9th 2018 876 00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:36,049 at 2:45 the witness was headed east on 877 00:41:40,509 --> 00:41:38,089 the 8th freeway in San Diego when he 878 00:41:45,009 --> 00:41:40,519 noticed a large white glowing a football 879 00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:45,019 shaped object with a tall black fin it 880 00:41:51,309 --> 00:41:47,960 was hovering in the sky at around 25,000 881 00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,319 feet the object was standing still with 882 00:41:56,829 --> 00:41:53,599 no observable means of support knowings 883 00:42:00,989 --> 00:41:56,839 no rotors the witness states of the 884 00:42:04,839 --> 00:42:00,999 object suddenly made a 45 degree dive of 885 00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:04,849 15,000 to 20,000 feet all the while 886 00:42:10,209 --> 00:42:08,269 remaining horizontally level the witness 887 00:42:12,999 --> 00:42:10,219 states this all took place in less than 888 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:13,009 a second and the blink of an eye the 889 00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:15,710 object then slowly cruised at a 5,000 890 00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,710 foot altitude the witness watched the 891 00:42:24,190 --> 00:42:21,200 object slowly fly silently towards the 892 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:24,200 South until he lost sight of it past 893 00:42:30,670 --> 00:42:25,729 where the witness believes that the 894 00:42:33,309 --> 00:42:30,680 Mexican border lies now the background 895 00:42:35,739 --> 00:42:33,319 on this witness and I checked his 896 00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:35,749 background out and it was it was 897 00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:38,359 impeccable the witness has been an 898 00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:42,079 aerospace engineer for over 40 years he 899 00:42:49,779 --> 00:42:43,880 does laser calibration of rolls-royce 900 00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:49,789 and Boeing and jet engines and I did see 901 00:42:56,789 --> 00:42:53,660 his work badges and you know I had proof 902 00:43:00,489 --> 00:42:56,799 that this is who he is and what he does 903 00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:00,499 is a bit of a plane spotter in his spare 904 00:43:06,099 --> 00:43:03,920 time you know he loves vintage planes he 905 00:43:10,769 --> 00:43:06,109 saw he's always looking up and he was 906 00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:10,779 not a UFO guy he told me I'm gonna find 907 00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:12,920 here's a little bit of the interview 908 00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:17,060 that I did with him he said 909 00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:19,640 he said it appeared to be four times the 910 00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:23,750 size of a 737 jet Wow and again this 911 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:26,030 happened in the San Diego area this this 912 00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:29,210 he observed near the same area that the 913 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:32,960 tic-tac UFO was observed and they took 914 00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:34,970 tact the New York Times decided that 915 00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:38,060 that was you know worthy of a you know a 916 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:43,780 major story last year he said that I 917 00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,550 know my airplanes and jets and this was 918 00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:49,280 no airplane or jet if a jet moved that 919 00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:51,380 fast it would be nosedive it would be 920 00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,780 going into a crash this thing remained 921 00:44:01,060 --> 00:43:56,720 horizontal like it had a gyroscope 922 00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,070 system that was out of this world it 923 00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:03,920 dropped a good 15,000 to 20,000 feet in 924 00:44:08,350 --> 00:44:05,780 less than a second then it just hovered 925 00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:08,360 there going slowly towards Mexico I 926 00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:10,670 called the local airports they couldn't 927 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:12,200 tell me what it was I checked the local 928 00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,970 papers even called the local news 929 00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:16,400 channel nobody else saw this thing which 930 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:20,060 is unimaginable to me but there it is 931 00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:22,850 he said I never had even the remotest of 932 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:26,180 interests in UFOs before my sighting I 933 00:44:33,810 --> 00:44:28,850 thought UFOs were a load of hooey that 934 00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:33,820 was his exact quote that a load of hooey 935 00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:37,310 but it was all a made-up thing but 936 00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:39,830 seeing is believing so I have had it 937 00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:42,230 changed my philosophy about mankind's 938 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:46,840 place in the universe as an old man 939 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:50,210 anyhow we talked about how this thing 940 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:52,970 actually kind of defied the principles 941 00:44:57,970 --> 00:44:55,930 of thermodynamics as we know them 942 00:44:59,650 --> 00:44:57,980 especially if there is a passenger 943 00:45:01,870 --> 00:44:59,660 inside of this craft and it was a large 944 00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:01,880 craft like it doesn't sound like a drone 945 00:45:07,090 --> 00:45:03,590 to me I don't you don't build something 946 00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:07,100 you know four times the size of a 737 947 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:10,790 unless you have a crew of some sort but 948 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:12,410 he watched this it had this weird 949 00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:16,640 vertical fin and if there had been 950 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:18,230 anybody in there and they didn't have 951 00:45:24,310 --> 00:45:21,110 some sort of way of balancing out the 952 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:24,320 gravity the inertia and that sudden 953 00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,570 stopped that it made and he said that 954 00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,640 stopped gently it wasn't jarring that 955 00:45:34,050 --> 00:45:30,160 was the weird thing that 956 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:34,060 you see something travel you know 20,000 957 00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:36,610 feet in the blink of an eye if there is 958 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:38,080 a person in there there there would just 959 00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:40,510 be splinters of bones and stuff you know 960 00:45:48,330 --> 00:45:44,440 that you know then he watched turn on 961 00:45:49,610 --> 00:45:48,340 its axis like it leveled out the nose 962 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:49,620 never came down 963 00:45:56,010 --> 00:45:53,410 it turned on its access and on its axis 964 00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,020 and then it started traveling about the 965 00:46:00,990 --> 00:45:58,240 speed of a normal aircraft until he lost 966 00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:01,000 sight of it heading out towards you know 967 00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:04,390 past Catalina Island into the Baja 968 00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:08,680 Peninsula area that's beyond San Diego 969 00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:11,710 there that was the most recent case that 970 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:14,830 I closed as an unknown I thought it was 971 00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:19,090 a really good case Bruce Maccabee the 972 00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:22,870 famous ufologist who worked on many many 973 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:26,620 cases like the McMinnville case he was 974 00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:29,410 one of the first guys to go in there and 975 00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:31,870 use a scientific method and photo 976 00:46:38,910 --> 00:46:37,150 analysis on the McMinnville case and he 977 00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:38,920 actually pitched in when I shared this 978 00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:42,070 on Facebook a couple days ago and he 979 00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:44,710 said that it reminded him of a sighting 980 00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,640 back in 1949 called the rogue river UFO 981 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:50,800 which I thought was really cool and he 982 00:46:55,460 --> 00:46:52,570 was correct I mean they they were 983 00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:55,470 similar except the Rogue River UFO 984 00:47:02,610 --> 00:46:59,760 didn't do that 20,000 foot sudden drop 985 00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:02,620 you know keeping perfectly level while 986 00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:07,120 it did it so yeah I did have a question 987 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:09,190 regarding something you brought up about 988 00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:13,090 the tic-tock UFO the Defense Department 989 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,700 budget which spent 22 million dollars in 990 00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,480 secret on the advanced aerospace threat 991 00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:20,800 identification program you brought that 992 00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:24,580 up Earl when I asked you the question in 993 00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:26,680 our last interview will disclosure 994 00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:29,760 happen and if so when and how and you 995 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:33,030 went on to talk about how there was a 996 00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:36,010 disturbing aspect to you there's no 997 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:38,020 bottom line for reality there's no trust 998 00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:40,330 in the news radio media could you 999 00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:42,670 explain a little bit more about how you 1000 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:43,990 fill the disclosure 1001 00:47:48,690 --> 00:47:46,330 will happen if it will and if so when 1002 00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:48,700 and how we're doing it we're doing it 1003 00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,180 right now 1004 00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:51,280 this is disclosure I mean this is how it 1005 00:48:00,990 --> 00:47:57,870 he recently interviewed Jan Harrison and 1006 00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:01,000 he was saying the same thing that more 1007 00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:03,430 or less I agree I agree with Jan that 1008 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:05,740 disclosure happened when the New York 1009 00:48:11,849 --> 00:48:08,770 Times put up the article about the the 1010 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:11,859 tic-tac video you know the USS nimitz 1011 00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:16,089 affair it was the you know there were no 1012 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:19,030 i roles even on the news you know i mean 1013 00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,700 in the past if they would bring up a UFO 1014 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:23,680 story even something like the phoenix 1015 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:26,250 lights that were seen by you know 1016 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:29,290 thousands of people you would still 1017 00:48:34,530 --> 00:48:31,810 they've played the x-files music there 1018 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:34,540 would be kind of a you know half grin 1019 00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:37,690 going on with the news announcers there 1020 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:39,780 was none of that with the USS nimitz 1021 00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:45,250 report but it kind of it's just the 1022 00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,790 story just kind of died out there people 1023 00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:51,040 their reaction is either oh what we 1024 00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:52,180 already knew that 1025 00:48:59,250 --> 00:48:57,190 so what else it was kind of like well 1026 00:49:02,670 --> 00:48:59,260 you can't trust anything in the news now 1027 00:49:05,579 --> 00:49:02,680 and i think that unfortunately the whole 1028 00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:05,589 idea of fake news now on one hand 1029 00:49:11,579 --> 00:49:08,500 perhaps it's made the powers that be 1030 00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:11,589 comfortable enough to where they are 1031 00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:13,540 willing to let some of this stuff out 1032 00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:15,670 they're not going out and sending 1033 00:49:23,339 --> 00:49:18,760 debunkers to smash it into you know 1034 00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:23,349 swamp gas or weather balloons now but i 1035 00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:26,680 think that society in general that 1036 00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:29,020 there's no baseline reality that people 1037 00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,550 look up to that unfortunately there 1038 00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:35,680 isn't as much trust in the news services 1039 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:37,960 as there used to be and and i don't 1040 00:49:41,460 --> 00:49:39,490 think that anything has changed with the 1041 00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:41,470 news services I think it's just changed 1042 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:45,790 with people's attitudes people you know 1043 00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:47,650 are more apt to read you know about 1044 00:49:53,609 --> 00:49:50,520 conspiracy theories and things and and 1045 00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:53,619 and it's kind of ruined the baseline 1046 00:49:58,350 --> 00:49:55,720 reality to the point where the New York 1047 00:50:01,380 --> 00:49:58,360 Times can present a story like this 1048 00:50:05,550 --> 00:50:01,390 hey this was any technology that we have 1049 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:05,560 this was not man-made again it was 1050 00:50:11,850 --> 00:50:08,170 defined you know Newton's laws of 1051 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:11,860 thermodynamics and and doing astounding 1052 00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,260 things and it you can look at it I mean 1053 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:15,520 it wasn't like it's something that we 1054 00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:19,360 could even protect ourselves from you 1055 00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:21,910 know there was they scrambled jets out 1056 00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:23,800 but they just kind of observed there was 1057 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:26,350 nothing that they could really do again 1058 00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:28,930 you know the tic-tac UFO and apparently 1059 00:50:33,810 --> 00:50:31,240 there were a few of them I think we're 1060 00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:33,820 like five of them all together 1061 00:50:41,010 --> 00:50:35,740 Christopher day is talked our way 1062 00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:41,020 Christopher can't be Melanie 1063 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:43,390 you mean melon no it was it was the 1064 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:47,050 strike force commander but I spoke with 1065 00:50:52,530 --> 00:50:49,810 Chris a little bit about it and he was 1066 00:50:55,110 --> 00:50:52,540 there looking at the radar screen and 1067 00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:55,120 his guys they were the guys that he sent 1068 00:51:02,580 --> 00:50:59,200 up you know to to intercept and he said 1069 00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:02,590 I mean Chris Hayden is that who I'm just 1070 00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:04,510 trying to find out who you could be 1071 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:08,230 talking I'll have it free in one second 1072 00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:13,450 but but anyhow the things that were kind 1073 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:20,380 of described and in the in the tic-tac 1074 00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:24,910 video where I thought just astounding 1075 00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:26,710 the they weren't something that that we 1076 00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:31,060 could do and yet there it was it was a 1077 00:51:38,550 --> 00:51:35,110 New York Times you know major story and 1078 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:38,560 and it just kind of died with a whimper 1079 00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:41,050 as far as the public goes but I think 1080 00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:42,400 that the way that this closed you're 1081 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:44,980 going back to disclosure I think that oh 1082 00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:47,770 the guys name is Kevin day that's Kevin 1083 00:51:50,910 --> 00:51:49,030 day he's gonna be on our show in a 1084 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:50,920 couple of weeks there you go Kevin's 1085 00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:53,050 great you know and he sees I think that 1086 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:54,910 he's right on I think that you know he's 1087 00:51:59,130 --> 00:51:57,010 he's not fabricating anything you know 1088 00:52:01,920 --> 00:51:59,140 he's a radar operator he was the 1089 00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:01,930 operator on the Princeton and radars 1090 00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,060 physical evidence and basically backed 1091 00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:05,680 up by what the pilot said that they were 1092 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:07,960 seeing so how much more do you need 1093 00:52:11,830 --> 00:52:10,810 I have a friend on Facebook by by the 1094 00:52:15,490 --> 00:52:11,840 name of Chris Chris 1095 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:15,500 Toofer day hike hi Chris listening to 1096 00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,610 this so I 1097 00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:19,040 anyway kind of brain fart going on there 1098 00:52:23,110 --> 00:52:20,720 but but yeah it was Kevin day and that's 1099 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:23,120 the gentleman that I did have you know 1100 00:52:28,510 --> 00:52:26,690 speak with a bit and you know and now 1101 00:52:31,570 --> 00:52:28,520 that there have been debunkers that have 1102 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:31,580 been popping up and you know people have 1103 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:33,650 had valid questions but I think that so 1104 00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:36,830 far the questions have been pretty well 1105 00:52:42,940 --> 00:52:39,800 answered John Harrison seems to think 1106 00:52:46,990 --> 00:52:42,950 that this is a very very real occurrence 1107 00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:47,000 that happened so and this is a way 1108 00:52:51,550 --> 00:52:49,550 disclosure apparently happens I think 1109 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:51,560 that maybe the the way that the public 1110 00:52:57,730 --> 00:52:54,650 treats the news now that maybe this is 1111 00:53:00,220 --> 00:52:57,740 how they can do it because there's what 1112 00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:00,230 do you call that there's there's an 1113 00:53:05,710 --> 00:53:02,750 element of deniability reasonable 1114 00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:05,720 deniability that's that's there with a 1115 00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:07,310 story where it's kind of like well this 1116 00:53:12,220 --> 00:53:09,710 is this is what happened this is what we 1117 00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:12,230 saw this is what the facts are it's up 1118 00:53:19,390 --> 00:53:16,400 to you to you know there you go Jan is a 1119 00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:19,400 real big to the stars Academy fan yeah 1120 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:21,380 that was that was pretty clear when we 1121 00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:23,450 spoke to him last week what do you think 1122 00:53:27,490 --> 00:53:24,670 about what those guys are up to 1123 00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:27,500 you know I there isn't really peer 1124 00:53:31,540 --> 00:53:29,780 review and ufology except for the other 1125 00:53:33,850 --> 00:53:31,550 organizations that are doing the same 1126 00:53:36,010 --> 00:53:33,860 thing that we are doing and so that's a 1127 00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:36,020 form of peer review so I'm all for it 1128 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:38,390 like it's really really good the more 1129 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:40,490 people that are poking around in this 1130 00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:43,970 the better it is it's it's like the old 1131 00:53:49,420 --> 00:53:47,360 the old parable of the the the monks of 1132 00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:49,430 the elephant and the blind monks and the 1133 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:51,230 elephant and everybody's describing a 1134 00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,290 different part of the same thing you 1135 00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:56,480 gather all those monks together and you 1136 00:54:01,330 --> 00:53:58,490 have them all tell your story and yes 1137 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:01,340 you have a full elephant but if you just 1138 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:03,650 one of them you've got the tail or the 1139 00:54:08,890 --> 00:54:06,770 foot or the trunk so we need other 1140 00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:08,900 people doing this using different 1141 00:54:14,110 --> 00:54:12,470 methodologies I I do know that to the 1142 00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,120 Stars that they're they're doing more 1143 00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:16,880 with you know looking into the metals 1144 00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:18,920 and and trace elements that have been 1145 00:54:24,430 --> 00:54:22,160 left you know in certain sightings and I 1146 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:24,440 think they even have gotten some crash 1147 00:54:30,340 --> 00:54:25,730 retrieval material 1148 00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,350 switches metamaterials so well I wanted 1149 00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:32,720 to mention something of Frank and I went 1150 00:54:36,430 --> 00:54:34,310 over and one of his shows and that was 1151 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:36,440 the advanced aerospace threat 1152 00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:38,150 identification program which is what 1153 00:54:44,349 --> 00:54:40,700 we're talking about a little bit here 1154 00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:44,359 which began in 2007 as a top-secret 1155 00:54:48,359 --> 00:54:46,310 program and part of it still remains 1156 00:54:51,490 --> 00:54:48,369 parts of it still remain classified 1157 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:51,500 which I don't know why because if if 1158 00:54:55,570 --> 00:54:53,690 disclosure is happening apparently 1159 00:54:57,550 --> 00:54:55,580 people don't care if it's classified or 1160 00:55:00,250 --> 00:54:57,560 not I mean it doesn't seem like anybody 1161 00:55:04,030 --> 00:55:00,260 seems to notice anything the New York 1162 00:55:07,810 --> 00:55:04,040 Times article came out in December 16th 1163 00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,820 of last year on a Saturday morning when 1164 00:55:11,770 --> 00:55:09,680 we would notice anything 1165 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:11,780 and I wonder even if it were on a 1166 00:55:17,380 --> 00:55:13,970 weekday you know anybody really would 1167 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:17,390 have noticed that article that's an 1168 00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,330 inconvenient truth yeah and I think it 1169 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:22,880 was just planned to come out on a 1170 00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:25,010 Saturday morning as really what I 1171 00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:26,990 mentioned on Frank's show Frank did you 1172 00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:30,230 have any comments - no just you know the 1173 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:32,030 stories that have come out excuse me in 1174 00:55:36,730 --> 00:55:35,090 the mainstream for us it's like an 1175 00:55:40,690 --> 00:55:36,740 avalanche of information because we're 1176 00:55:42,460 --> 00:55:40,700 all into it but in the total scheme of 1177 00:55:44,859 --> 00:55:42,470 things it's just a drop in the bucket 1178 00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,869 compared to what the media puts out you 1179 00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:46,640 know they're rolling 24/7 with their 1180 00:55:50,770 --> 00:55:48,710 news channels they've got their evening 1181 00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:50,780 news they got a run every day they've 1182 00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:52,190 got their papers that they have to print 1183 00:55:55,660 --> 00:55:53,359 in their websites they have to update 1184 00:55:57,609 --> 00:55:55,670 it's just a very small piece of the 1185 00:56:00,580 --> 00:55:57,619 puzzle in the total news scheme for us 1186 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:00,590 though it's you know well you know make 1187 00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,690 hay while the sun is shining but for 1188 00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:05,440 regular folks it's not that big a deal 1189 00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:10,400 yeah I mean in a way I mean I and you 1190 00:56:14,859 --> 00:56:12,080 hear a lot of talk about this out there 1191 00:56:17,260 --> 00:56:14,869 but I think that it's valid talk that I 1192 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:17,270 think that disclosure that they've been 1193 00:56:23,230 --> 00:56:19,850 slowly handing it to us but that they 1194 00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,240 want us to also be a little confused 1195 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:25,760 about it they certainly haven't given us 1196 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:27,530 the whole story and I don't even know if 1197 00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:29,330 anybody in the government has the full 1198 00:56:36,099 --> 00:56:31,400 story because they like to 1199 00:56:38,109 --> 00:56:36,109 compartmentalize but the exit program it 1200 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:38,119 was a fish I mean we know that they were 1201 00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:39,170 doing that 1202 00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,040 Harry Reid has spoken about it John 1203 00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:45,200 Podesta of course has spoken about it 1204 00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:49,700 and 22 million I've talked with one 1205 00:56:54,250 --> 00:56:52,460 friend of mine who has a podcast and you 1206 00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:54,260 seen well that's that's such a drop in 1207 00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:55,910 the bucket it's like a nothing yes 1208 00:57:01,900 --> 00:56:57,650 spread out for five years it's not much 1209 00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:01,910 at all yeah but then again I mean I from 1210 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:04,190 what I'm seeing I mean I think that that 1211 00:57:11,770 --> 00:57:07,970 that that that was just one little wing 1212 00:57:15,789 --> 00:57:11,780 of this I think that that probably the 1213 00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:15,799 the nimitz affair was a good that that 1214 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:17,950 was one of the reasons why they even 1215 00:57:23,980 --> 00:57:22,130 began the study I think that a lot of 1216 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:23,990 the funds I think a lot of what they 1217 00:57:29,740 --> 00:57:25,970 were doing was aimed at that one 1218 00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,750 particular case speaking with Jan about 1219 00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:31,280 this and he spoken with a lot of the 1220 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:34,910 players that are involved he was saying 1221 00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,970 that the the program is still going on I 1222 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:39,920 mean they just changed the name of it 1223 00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:43,010 and apparently there's you you can put 1224 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:45,710 FOIA requests in for certain things but 1225 00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:49,250 there's a you know a security level that 1226 00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,640 is above FOIA so you can you can use the 1227 00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:54,559 Freedom of Information Act as much as 1228 00:57:58,359 --> 00:57:56,000 you want but they'll change the name 1229 00:58:00,490 --> 00:57:58,369 around though they're very tricky about 1230 00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:00,500 it they're gonna let the public have 1231 00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:02,710 what they think the public is ready for 1232 00:58:09,609 --> 00:58:06,980 the rest they sit on they've been doing 1233 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:09,619 that for a while but you know a popular 1234 00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:12,170 culture you look at a show like Project 1235 00:58:16,839 --> 00:58:15,710 Blue Book why is it that that is is 1236 00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,849 coming out right now 1237 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:19,520 I mean why is it I mean the interest 1238 00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:22,970 level is sort of off it just off the 1239 00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:25,220 hinge and the public 1240 00:58:30,730 --> 00:58:27,470 I think ancient aliens and things like 1241 00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:30,740 that have really brought up a lot of 1242 00:58:36,099 --> 00:58:33,920 interest in the general public and so 1243 00:58:38,530 --> 00:58:36,109 they sorting us little dribs and drabs 1244 00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:38,540 you know whether if you're pop culture 1245 00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:41,089 or or New York Times articles on 1246 00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,190 Saturday mornings well I'll tell you why 1247 00:58:46,539 --> 00:58:44,960 I think that ancient alien shows is 1248 00:58:49,089 --> 00:58:46,549 really stood the test of time it's been 1249 00:58:51,340 --> 00:58:49,099 running a dozen plus seasons already is 1250 00:58:54,700 --> 00:58:51,350 those guys are enthusiastic 1251 00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,710 about their topic sure and that goes a 1252 00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,480 long way I know where you were at you 1253 00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:57,920 were a daily it kind I don't know if you 1254 00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:02,000 got to have any contact with some of the 1255 00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:03,920 top players on that show but those guys 1256 00:59:07,330 --> 00:59:05,030 are really into it 1257 00:59:09,820 --> 00:59:07,340 yeah the this episode of that episode 1258 00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:09,830 this point at that point you can you 1259 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:11,510 know sort of tech it and not criticize 1260 00:59:16,270 --> 00:59:13,850 some of the material that they go with 1261 00:59:17,770 --> 00:59:16,280 but you can't fake the enthusiasm they 1262 00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:17,780 have for their subject and they've got 1263 00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:18,080 it 1264 00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:20,300 and that's what a lot of UFO shows don't 1265 00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:24,550 do they take that the x-files sort of 1266 00:59:32,170 --> 00:59:27,790 atmosphere and make it very dark and 1267 00:59:34,330 --> 00:59:32,180 make it very conspiratorial and I think 1268 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:34,340 it's exciting myself so it doesn't 1269 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:37,130 surprise me that those shows sometimes 1270 00:59:41,050 --> 00:59:39,050 they're just one and done and we'll see 1271 00:59:42,970 --> 00:59:41,060 how this Bluebook show goes and I guess 1272 00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:42,980 to the stars Academy's also are going to 1273 00:59:47,860 --> 00:59:45,680 have their show running and we'll see 1274 00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:47,870 how it will see how it does I don't 1275 00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:49,400 think it's a guarantee that it's going 1276 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:51,380 to be successful let's see if it 1277 00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:53,210 captures people's imaginations and if it 1278 01:00:01,300 --> 00:59:58,490 holds it I think I mean it's a new day 1279 01:00:03,070 --> 01:00:01,310 you know you have all these shows going 1280 01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:03,080 on about the subject and I've met 1281 01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,750 Giorgio I talked with him a bit in the 1282 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:08,000 green room at alien Con and he's the 1283 01:00:12,790 --> 01:00:09,530 real deal it was the first time I've met 1284 01:00:16,210 --> 01:00:12,800 him and and I really liked him and he 1285 01:00:19,390 --> 01:00:16,220 does have the enthusiasm for this he 1286 01:00:21,580 --> 01:00:19,400 definitely does you know I mean his show 1287 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:21,590 is what season is this of the show now 1288 01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:24,170 I'm well over 13 I think yeah you know I 1289 01:00:28,990 --> 01:00:26,630 mean there's only so many pyramids so 1290 01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:29,000 you know he has to kind of work a little 1291 01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:32,510 harder you know I'm not gonna say 1292 01:00:37,090 --> 01:00:35,270 they're completely silly but some of 1293 01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:37,100 them you know I mean you have to do so 1294 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:38,720 many episodes in the seas and then 1295 01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:40,730 you're on your thirteenth season of a 1296 01:00:45,850 --> 01:00:43,670 show it it's gonna get a little rough 1297 01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:45,860 unless a new pyramid you know falls out 1298 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:48,110 of the sky or something but but 1299 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:49,610 Georgio's heart is in the right place 1300 01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,610 and he's definitely you know he's 1301 01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,040 propagated the idea out into the general 1302 01:01:00,490 --> 01:00:57,920 public to where you know you go and go 1303 01:01:02,830 --> 01:01:00,500 into a room or the office or a party and 1304 01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:02,840 you go I'm I'm not saying it was aliens 1305 01:01:07,630 --> 01:01:04,790 you know when the rocks machine 1306 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:07,640 dies and every last you know they know 1307 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:09,890 the meme and and that's saying something 1308 01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:13,250 so Frank Frank brought up something 1309 01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:15,230 interesting he said that you went to 1310 01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:17,270 alien con we all want to hear about the 1311 01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:20,420 latest places you went to regarding you 1312 01:01:25,150 --> 01:01:22,340 know alien car you get around you get 1313 01:01:27,310 --> 01:01:25,160 around there you get to these fancy 1314 01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:27,320 parties in Hollywood and then get to go 1315 01:01:31,570 --> 01:01:29,540 to alien con tell us a little bit more 1316 01:01:33,730 --> 01:01:31,580 about that I would you had to cross the 1317 01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:33,740 the continent to get there tell us a 1318 01:01:39,220 --> 01:01:37,070 little bit about it well it's you know 1319 01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:39,230 that's one of the perks of being a MUFON 1320 01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:41,510 field investigator if you become a MUFON 1321 01:01:45,350 --> 01:01:43,790 field investigator you got to go to 1322 01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:45,360 Hollywood permit no I'm just 1323 01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:47,740 [Laughter] 1324 01:01:53,050 --> 01:01:50,510 proximity dollywood and what you know 1325 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:53,060 I'm just lucky enough blessed to be 1326 01:02:00,120 --> 01:01:57,050 living in Los Angeles I'm here you know 1327 01:02:02,350 --> 01:02:00,130 I can go to the MUFON office and and and 1328 01:02:04,570 --> 01:02:02,360 you know if I want to look through some 1329 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:04,580 papers or want to look at the you know 1330 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:06,770 Leonard Stringfield files or something 1331 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:10,850 well that's where they are and you know 1332 01:02:15,010 --> 01:02:13,010 and I do seem that I'm chief 1333 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:15,020 investigator and assistant State 1334 01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:19,370 Director of MUFON I do get I am in the 1335 01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:22,160 loop and I do get invited to the VIP 1336 01:02:26,890 --> 01:02:25,040 parties and stuff and I never guessed 1337 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:26,900 that would have ever happened I mean 1338 01:02:30,940 --> 01:02:28,850 when my wife works at Warner Brothers 1339 01:02:34,060 --> 01:02:30,950 and she you know she works in the tower 1340 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:34,070 over there and in a royalties department 1341 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:36,050 and you know it used to be that my wife 1342 01:02:39,940 --> 01:02:37,850 was the one that would get us to you 1343 01:02:41,710 --> 01:02:39,950 know a screening of the Lord you know 1344 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:41,720 the new Lord of the Rings movie or 1345 01:02:47,590 --> 01:02:45,650 whatever and when I became a UFO 1346 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:47,600 researcher my wife kind of rolled her 1347 01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,610 eyes a little bit it's like oh boy 1348 01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:52,160 what's this gonna hold you know and 1349 01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:55,310 she's kind of surprised and happy 1350 01:02:58,930 --> 01:02:57,110 because now I seem to be the guy that's 1351 01:03:02,740 --> 01:02:58,940 getting the the parties and the 1352 01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:02,750 premieres so yeah really really 1353 01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:05,510 fascinating people like well for example 1354 01:03:10,030 --> 01:03:07,460 you and Joan are good friends but you 1355 01:03:12,370 --> 01:03:10,040 both went to the alien Con together I'm 1356 01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,380 sure you've gone a few times to 1357 01:03:18,220 --> 01:03:14,240 different places like that with him but 1358 01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:18,230 then there's also isn't there 1359 01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:19,910 nice Marcel did she go to the premiere 1360 01:03:25,060 --> 01:03:22,609 and you saw her there Denis Marcel's 1361 01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:25,070 Jessie Marcel's daughter and Jesse 1362 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:28,240 Marcel of course he was involved in 1363 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:30,290 regarding the Roswell crash which 1364 01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:32,210 actually happened in Corona New Mexico 1365 01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:34,220 can you give us a little bit more 1366 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:38,720 background on that sure Denis Marcel is 1367 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:43,850 a dear friend as is her husband Jim and 1368 01:03:50,050 --> 01:03:48,050 we we I don't know if I should disclose 1369 01:03:52,780 --> 01:03:50,060 this but we're all kind of deadheads we 1370 01:03:54,849 --> 01:03:52,790 were fans of the Grateful Dead so we do 1371 01:03:57,370 --> 01:03:54,859 you know we go to see the you know dead 1372 01:04:00,820 --> 01:03:57,380 and company shows together and probably 1373 01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:00,830 have too much fun but but Jesse Marcel 1374 01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:03,350 was of course a hero of mine and and 1375 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:05,119 that he was one of the first guys to 1376 01:04:10,660 --> 01:04:08,810 stand up and and disclose that no the 1377 01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:10,670 government knows that this is a real 1378 01:04:14,380 --> 01:04:12,380 thing and it was not a weather balloon 1379 01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:14,390 and that was a grandfather 1380 01:04:22,330 --> 01:04:17,390 and the Sun came out who you know Jesse 1381 01:04:25,870 --> 01:04:22,340 Marcel who was the first jr. who's 1382 01:04:28,540 --> 01:04:25,880 Denise's father and he was there when 1383 01:04:32,830 --> 01:04:28,550 when dad came home with the trunk filled 1384 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:32,840 with memory metal and and I beams from a 1385 01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:36,530 UFO I beams with strange hieroglyphics 1386 01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:39,830 on them and in the memory metal you 1387 01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:41,270 could shoot a bullet at it and it 1388 01:04:46,090 --> 01:04:43,790 wouldn't make a dent but you crumple it 1389 01:04:47,950 --> 01:04:46,100 up and it stays crumpled for a second 1390 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:47,960 and it goes right back to its original 1391 01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:48,890 shape 1392 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:51,640 like it's electrostatically set that way 1393 01:04:56,830 --> 01:04:54,410 and he saw this as a child and it made a 1394 01:04:58,420 --> 01:04:56,840 great impression on him of course that 1395 01:05:00,849 --> 01:04:58,430 was what his father was hoping you know 1396 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:00,859 he's like this is this is something from 1397 01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:03,770 another world I want my family to see it 1398 01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:06,350 so Denis grew up with that bit of 1399 01:05:11,410 --> 01:05:08,930 knowledge just sort of like I grew up 1400 01:05:15,849 --> 01:05:11,420 with knowing you know what my mom had 1401 01:05:20,109 --> 01:05:15,859 told me and you know I once saw somebody 1402 01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:20,119 go after Denise and her brother Jesse 1403 01:05:27,099 --> 01:05:24,230 the third about their grandfather and 1404 01:05:29,650 --> 01:05:27,109 and Jesse Marcel the third was very 1405 01:05:32,050 --> 01:05:29,660 eloquent and that he said well my 1406 01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,060 grandfather was the head of 1407 01:05:36,730 --> 01:05:34,400 security at Roswell they were the that 1408 01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:36,740 was where they sent the Enola Gay from 1409 01:05:41,140 --> 01:05:38,180 you know they dropped the first atomic 1410 01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:41,150 bomb from that airfield and he was head 1411 01:05:46,750 --> 01:05:43,610 of security they saw weather balloons 1412 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:46,760 all the time you know mogul balloons 1413 01:05:50,590 --> 01:05:48,530 whatever you want to call it my 1414 01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:50,600 grandfather knew about all that and and 1415 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:53,510 he knew his spaceships from his balloons 1416 01:05:58,540 --> 01:05:56,810 for God's sake and then he went on to 1417 01:06:04,030 --> 01:05:58,550 say that his father you know I mean you 1418 01:06:08,650 --> 01:06:04,040 know that Denise's father Jesse jr. he 1419 01:06:10,810 --> 01:06:08,660 was a surgeon he the the army recalled 1420 01:06:15,970 --> 01:06:10,820 him to go to Iraq or I think it was the 1421 01:06:18,490 --> 01:06:15,980 Air Force maybe to go back to to do 1422 01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:18,500 field surgery you know helping people 1423 01:06:24,610 --> 01:06:20,720 that have been hurt you know with with 1424 01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:24,620 IEDs and and stuff over there man was a 1425 01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:27,020 great American hero he should be in the 1426 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:28,940 history books is where he should be I 1427 01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:32,330 mean to me I mean the grandfather Jesse 1428 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:34,940 Marcel the first should be right next to 1429 01:06:39,940 --> 01:06:37,850 Neil Armstrong and John Glenn it was the 1430 01:06:43,570 --> 01:06:39,950 first person that ever disclosed to us 1431 01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:43,580 that you know we are unequivocally not 1432 01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:46,160 alone and and something from another 1433 01:06:53,830 --> 01:06:50,390 planet as you know it crash-landed in 1434 01:06:56,050 --> 01:06:53,840 the middle of a desert at the time that 1435 01:06:59,640 --> 01:06:56,060 story did get out but then it went away 1436 01:07:01,630 --> 01:06:59,650 you know just rest yeah you know I 1437 01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:01,640 wanted to bring up something interesting 1438 01:07:07,450 --> 01:07:03,710 you brought up and that was the memory 1439 01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:07,460 metal that Jesse Marcel was talking 1440 01:07:15,460 --> 01:07:11,270 about and that is you know I interviewed 1441 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:15,470 dr. Irina Scott recently and she said 1442 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:21,890 this about UFO crashes she said this is 1443 01:07:26,410 --> 01:07:24,890 this is contradicted by the accounts 1444 01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:26,420 that there substance such as memory 1445 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:29,150 metal is indestructible this makes it 1446 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:31,130 difficult to view a crash as real a 1447 01:07:36,190 --> 01:07:34,370 French you apologist Jean cider and I 1448 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:36,200 published several articles in the MUFON 1449 01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:39,170 junior or journal sorry that such 1450 01:07:42,970 --> 01:07:41,060 crashes might be set up by the UFO 1451 01:07:45,460 --> 01:07:42,980 phenomena to influence our culture or 1452 01:07:47,319 --> 01:07:45,470 perception of the subject 1453 01:07:51,099 --> 01:07:47,329 it's interesting the memory metal and 1454 01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:51,109 it's it's being indestructible that kind 1455 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:52,609 of indestructible nature and then she 1456 01:07:57,220 --> 01:07:54,890 brings up a very good point that if a 1457 01:07:59,579 --> 01:07:57,230 UFO crashes how did it crash if it's 1458 01:08:03,099 --> 01:07:59,589 indestructible how do you have any 1459 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:03,109 comments to make about that I think 1460 01:08:13,930 --> 01:08:09,730 about that a lot I I don't know if all 1461 01:08:15,609 --> 01:08:13,940 crashes have been purposeful because you 1462 01:08:18,670 --> 01:08:15,619 know there apparently i mean j edgar 1463 01:08:22,269 --> 01:08:18,680 hoover talked about you know materials 1464 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:22,279 that we you know possibly had retrieved 1465 01:08:30,340 --> 01:08:25,250 from the you know the battle in LA back 1466 01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:30,350 in 1942 and that is before Roswell but I 1467 01:08:36,340 --> 01:08:33,170 think that the idea of the Trojan horse 1468 01:08:40,599 --> 01:08:36,350 method of giving us technology letting 1469 01:08:43,570 --> 01:08:40,609 us know that they're here is is probably 1470 01:08:45,970 --> 01:08:43,580 what's going on there that it's that it 1471 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:45,980 was some of these crashes are probably 1472 01:08:51,999 --> 01:08:49,130 purposeful now I've had people say well 1473 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:52,009 but there were beings apparently you 1474 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:53,690 know there were like four or five beams 1475 01:09:00,760 --> 01:08:56,690 that they'd found in the corona crash 1476 01:09:02,499 --> 01:09:00,770 site but I I do believe that perhaps one 1477 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:02,509 of the technologies that our visitors 1478 01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:05,810 have is sort of like in the film avatar 1479 01:09:12,459 --> 01:09:09,350 or or even Blade Runner where they have 1480 01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,469 they can create clones replicates and 1481 01:09:17,769 --> 01:09:14,239 maybe maybe it's like an avatar where 1482 01:09:23,229 --> 01:09:17,779 the intelligence can use this life-form 1483 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:23,239 as a spacesuit more or less and so you 1484 01:09:30,130 --> 01:09:26,210 know if it crashes and this spacesuit 1485 01:09:31,900 --> 01:09:30,140 this biological robot is lost it's it's 1486 01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:31,910 not the end of the world it was meant to 1487 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:32,719 do that 1488 01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,250 you know and it doesn't mean of the 1489 01:09:40,689 --> 01:09:36,319 intelligence that was actually piloting 1490 01:09:44,170 --> 01:09:40,699 the the body of this being is is is even 1491 01:09:46,570 --> 01:09:44,180 harmed you know and and that I know it's 1492 01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:46,580 really a so Tareq and kind of out there 1493 01:09:52,599 --> 01:09:49,759 but but we've we've seen a lot of a lot 1494 01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:52,609 of instances where I think that kind of 1495 01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:56,330 holds up one of the rumors that are out 1496 01:10:01,300 --> 01:09:59,420 there that you hear over and over again 1497 01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:01,310 our that when they have you know 1498 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:04,640 actually done retrievals and they've 1499 01:10:10,150 --> 01:10:07,370 gotten bodies and they've done autopsies 1500 01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:10,160 on these that there was no alimentary 1501 01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:13,310 canal that there was no that it was very 1502 01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:15,680 very basic organs that were in these 1503 01:10:19,450 --> 01:10:17,450 bodies that it wasn't the sign of 1504 01:10:23,020 --> 01:10:19,460 something that at high you know highly 1505 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:23,030 evolved biologically that it looks more 1506 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:25,850 like perhaps it's a biological construct 1507 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:29,570 or or a robot so I think that if you 1508 01:10:34,420 --> 01:10:32,210 look at it that way even if you had 1509 01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:34,430 pilots this is a way for them to get the 1510 01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:36,800 biology out there it's a way for them to 1511 01:10:41,950 --> 01:10:39,260 get us to understand crazy ideas like 1512 01:10:44,830 --> 01:10:41,960 well you know what we just created this 1513 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:44,840 life-form for this purpose you know life 1514 01:10:48,130 --> 01:10:46,850 form was meant to crash in the desert 1515 01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:48,140 mm-hm 1516 01:10:53,890 --> 01:10:50,780 and it's a way to get the technology to 1517 01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:53,900 us and it's a little bit of disclosure 1518 01:10:58,840 --> 01:10:56,210 for the rest of us but it's also 1519 01:11:00,910 --> 01:10:58,850 disclosure for the people in the 1520 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:00,920 government and in science who actually 1521 01:11:08,650 --> 01:11:05,930 are taking these you know retrieving 1522 01:11:14,260 --> 01:11:08,660 these items and these beings and and 1523 01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:14,270 trying to piece it all together if you 1524 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:18,290 handed Leonardo da Vinci an iPhone or an 1525 01:11:26,050 --> 01:11:22,970 electric guitar I mean you could hand 1526 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:26,060 him a stopwatch he might be able to 1527 01:11:30,730 --> 01:11:28,250 figure out the stopwatch okay but but 1528 01:11:32,380 --> 01:11:30,740 it's going to be this technology that's 1529 01:11:35,650 --> 01:11:32,390 above him it's going to seem like it's 1530 01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:35,660 magic to him at first or witchcraft but 1531 01:11:41,890 --> 01:11:38,200 he would just be seeing a little bit of 1532 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:41,900 futuristic technology that was above you 1533 01:11:49,330 --> 01:11:46,610 know his his time period and I but that 1534 01:11:51,730 --> 01:11:49,340 perhaps that this is kind of what we are 1535 01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:51,740 getting that we're being given little 1536 01:11:59,230 --> 01:11:54,590 gifts little little nudges you know you 1537 01:12:02,260 --> 01:11:59,240 look at Philip Corso and the more you 1538 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:02,270 know the day after Roswell that book you 1539 01:12:06,610 --> 01:12:04,490 know is very influential for me because 1540 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:06,620 some of the things he described were 1541 01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:10,570 exact to what my mom had described to me 1542 01:12:15,730 --> 01:12:13,490 but he said that you know they would get 1543 01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:15,740 these technologies and he would send 1544 01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:17,240 them out to different companies like 1545 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:21,070 Battelle and and and and elsewhere and 1546 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:23,330 that they would say well we got this 1547 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:25,730 from Japan there we go we got this from 1548 01:12:30,130 --> 01:12:28,250 the Soviets they would lie more or less 1549 01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,140 and they would say just don't worry 1550 01:12:35,530 --> 01:12:32,000 about where it came from just figure it 1551 01:12:37,210 --> 01:12:35,540 out and and maybe our visitors are doing 1552 01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:37,220 this on purpose they're trying to get us 1553 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:40,520 to go in a certain direction I imagine 1554 01:12:45,580 --> 01:12:41,810 they're trying to get us to evolve 1555 01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:45,590 spiritually and in our personalities you 1556 01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:48,640 know in a certain direction as well as 1557 01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:52,610 Jan said in his interview the the whole 1558 01:13:00,910 --> 01:12:58,610 Robert Salas thing that happened out in 1559 01:13:03,070 --> 01:13:00,920 Montana with a nuclear base where they 1560 01:13:06,220 --> 01:13:03,080 they actually shut down the nuclear 1561 01:13:10,030 --> 01:13:06,230 missiles yes that's very very telling 1562 01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:10,040 and and and and speaks volumes you know 1563 01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:13,490 I don't think that it's malevolent 1564 01:13:18,010 --> 01:13:16,070 I don't think that this is malevolence 1565 01:13:20,740 --> 01:13:18,020 that is visiting us I think that they 1566 01:13:23,650 --> 01:13:20,750 have you know our future in our own 1567 01:13:25,810 --> 01:13:23,660 evolution and mind and that they're 1568 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:25,820 letting us know what we should look at 1569 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:28,610 what we should be careful about what we 1570 01:13:33,490 --> 01:13:31,250 should study what direction we should go 1571 01:13:36,130 --> 01:13:33,500 with technology and and they're just 1572 01:13:38,590 --> 01:13:36,140 kind of doing a soft disclosure to our 1573 01:13:40,180 --> 01:13:38,600 own government they're doing it and then 1574 01:13:42,850 --> 01:13:40,190 our government turns or you know they're 1575 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:42,860 they're doing soft disclosure to us but 1576 01:13:47,860 --> 01:13:44,930 I think that that is happening on two 1577 01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,870 different levels and maybe trickle down 1578 01:13:52,570 --> 01:13:50,480 theory that maybe doesn't work so well 1579 01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:52,580 in finances but perhaps it does work 1580 01:14:00,850 --> 01:13:55,880 well as far as getting technology and 1581 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:00,860 and you know you know evolution going on 1582 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:04,210 in a certain direction for our 1583 01:14:07,930 --> 01:14:06,290 intelligence for the Internet just got 1584 01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:07,940 to jump in really quick I we do have 1585 01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:10,310 memory metal they developed something 1586 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:12,890 called nitinol in the early cities which 1587 01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,770 needs a catalyst doesn't go back to its 1588 01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,360 original shape on its own you've got to 1589 01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:19,040 heat it or cool it or whatever the case 1590 01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:22,610 may be but shape memory metals do exist 1591 01:14:27,250 --> 01:14:26,510 and we've got them yeah we do we do some 1592 01:14:30,009 --> 01:14:27,260 say I think 1593 01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,019 Irina's who I was talking with you know 1594 01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:32,719 dr. Irina I was so happy that you did an 1595 01:14:37,660 --> 01:14:34,489 interview with her by the way chance 1596 01:14:41,950 --> 01:14:37,670 she's a hero you know she's she's a 1597 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:41,960 classic ufologist and and I just have so 1598 01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,570 much respect for her but her books are 1599 01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:46,719 great too yes 1600 01:14:50,529 --> 01:14:49,489 her new book a sacred court or as I'm 1601 01:14:52,959 --> 01:14:50,539 reading right now and she actually 1602 01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:52,969 mentions my mom's case in there which I 1603 01:14:59,890 --> 01:14:56,719 was just really gobsmacked and thrilled 1604 01:15:01,870 --> 01:14:59,900 to see now that's wonderful right yeah 1605 01:15:03,689 --> 01:15:01,880 it's called sacred corridors secrets 1606 01:15:06,490 --> 01:15:03,699 behind the real Project Blue Book 1607 01:15:09,580 --> 01:15:06,500 wright-patterson Air Force Base Roswell 1608 01:15:13,209 --> 01:15:09,590 Battelle memory metal dr. J Allen Hynek 1609 01:15:15,759 --> 01:15:13,219 and UFO cover-ups which is okay it came 1610 01:15:18,250 --> 01:15:15,769 out January 1st yeah and I just wanted 1611 01:15:20,290 --> 01:15:18,260 to just let the listeners know a little 1612 01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,300 bit background about her that way they 1613 01:15:24,939 --> 01:15:22,880 know they're more familiar with her 1614 01:15:27,819 --> 01:15:24,949 she's the great-great grand niece of 1615 01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:27,829 John Purdue she is a PhD in physiology 1616 01:15:33,370 --> 01:15:30,409 from the University of Missouri she was 1617 01:15:36,339 --> 01:15:33,380 an assistant professor of biology at st. 1618 01:15:39,490 --> 01:15:36,349 Bonaventure University she's published 1619 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:39,500 works in biology and about Ohio history 1620 01:15:45,839 --> 01:15:42,050 and she was also on the MUFON board of 1621 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:45,849 directors in the 1990s to 2000s and 1622 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:48,530 she's an investigator and consultant and 1623 01:15:53,620 --> 01:15:52,250 was an investigator for Koufos and more 1624 01:15:58,479 --> 01:15:53,630 important than all that she didn't 1625 01:16:00,430 --> 01:15:58,489 interview on my show back in spring I 1626 01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:00,440 rank had the privilege of interviewing 1627 01:16:04,660 --> 01:16:02,449 her you know I just want to bring up 1628 01:16:07,089 --> 01:16:04,670 something random when we were talking 1629 01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:07,099 before we came on the show today Frank 1630 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:08,329 brought up something really interesting 1631 01:16:14,350 --> 01:16:11,530 and he was talking about SpaceX and how 1632 01:16:16,089 --> 01:16:14,360 Elon Musk you know when he has his 1633 01:16:22,290 --> 01:16:16,099 rockets go off that you guys might get 1634 01:16:27,089 --> 01:16:22,300 some reports about that is that true my 1635 01:16:29,890 --> 01:16:27,099 dear friend in quotation marks brother 1636 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:29,900 Jeff will still send a big bunch of them 1637 01:16:34,330 --> 01:16:32,210 to me you know and I you more or less 1638 01:16:36,129 --> 01:16:34,340 you have to you know write the people 1639 01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:36,139 that submitted it and say yes I saw that 1640 01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:38,690 too and and that was actually SpaceX 1641 01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:40,540 Elon Musk do it 1642 01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:42,490 things so ya know every time we have a 1643 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:46,000 launch from Vandenberg we get all kind 1644 01:16:53,010 --> 01:16:49,930 but sometimes we'll get 20 reports in on 1645 01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:53,020 it and I'll get like a good seven or 1646 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:54,250 eight of them myself 1647 01:17:00,000 --> 01:16:56,890 you you have to do the you have to do 1648 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:00,010 the paperwork you know so it's whenever 1649 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:02,170 it happens it's kind of like well this 1650 01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:04,930 is part of the job and and and and yeah 1651 01:17:09,810 --> 01:17:07,210 Elon Musk you know I'm all for what he's 1652 01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:09,820 doing but you know you kinda have to 1653 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:11,710 tell the people yes you know this is 1654 01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:14,770 what you saw and and then I have to you 1655 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:23,620 know anybody investigator for MUFON will 1656 01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:26,650 know about form 30 you just have to kind 1657 01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:28,750 of take everything off find the 1658 01:17:36,750 --> 01:17:35,110 coordinates for Vandenberg you know I 1659 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:36,760 mean and I mean that's that's part of 1660 01:17:40,770 --> 01:17:38,530 what we do is inform the public of what 1661 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:40,780 they saw you know everything that you 1662 01:17:45,870 --> 01:17:44,770 see that looks strange is not a UFO yeah 1663 01:17:50,220 --> 01:17:45,880 yeah 1664 01:17:51,780 --> 01:17:50,230 very many drone reports you know that 1665 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:51,790 you get well where you realize they 1666 01:17:58,830 --> 01:17:54,130 really are drones things of that nature 1667 01:18:01,410 --> 01:17:58,840 I feel so terrible about it I gave my 1668 01:18:06,690 --> 01:18:01,420 grandson a drone for Christmas this year 1669 01:18:09,330 --> 01:18:06,700 you know I had one guy who kept seeing 1670 01:18:11,490 --> 01:18:09,340 the UFO he put in a report this is about 1671 01:18:14,250 --> 01:18:11,500 two and a half years ago he put in a 1672 01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,260 report he's describing it to me yet a 1673 01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:16,000 little bit of video footage I said 1674 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:18,400 that's a personal radio controlled drone 1675 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:19,810 dude you know that's what you were 1676 01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:22,090 seeing he said no it's not to Flying 1677 01:18:27,090 --> 01:18:25,180 Saucer I'm going wow you know 1678 01:18:28,890 --> 01:18:27,100 I'll look into it a little bit more but 1679 01:18:32,610 --> 01:18:28,900 that really looks like a drone on the 1680 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:32,620 flash mode so he the guy called me up 1681 01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:35,530 like three other times it's like its 1682 01:18:39,890 --> 01:18:38,350 back its back it's like take some video 1683 01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:39,900 and it's a drone 1684 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:42,640 finally like the fourth phone call I got 1685 01:18:45,900 --> 01:18:43,810 from him and he was really nice 1686 01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:45,910 gentleman I mean we want people that we 1687 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:49,810 want people to give us reports I do not 1688 01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:51,730 want this story to stop anybody from 1689 01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:54,400 putting in a report please 1690 01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:55,990 because it might not have it might've 1691 01:19:00,030 --> 01:18:58,480 been a flying saucer but I finally told 1692 01:19:02,340 --> 01:19:00,040 them you know what because he was 1693 01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:02,350 running after I said go ahead and you're 1694 01:19:06,090 --> 01:19:04,000 not supposed to say that you don't want 1695 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:06,100 to tell people that to go and pull a 1696 01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:15,000 you never run after UFO but I was so 1697 01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:16,750 sure of what he was seen and I saw the 1698 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:19,270 video I said just okay go ahead and he 1699 01:19:22,590 --> 01:19:21,130 ran down the block and he ran down 1700 01:19:24,660 --> 01:19:22,600 another block and he got in the middle 1701 01:19:26,610 --> 01:19:24,670 of a field he has me on the phone the 1702 01:19:30,150 --> 01:19:26,620 whole time he goes and there it there it 1703 01:19:35,700 --> 01:19:30,160 is it's it's oh it's a guy in his kid 1704 01:19:37,650 --> 01:19:35,710 playing with the drone I saw my I saw my 1705 01:19:40,350 --> 01:19:37,660 first thrown a few weeks back driving 1706 01:19:42,510 --> 01:19:40,360 home from work and they do get your 1707 01:19:43,860 --> 01:19:42,520 attention I'll tell you that I saw it 1708 01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:43,870 initially it looked like it was just 1709 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:46,360 hovering and had these a green sort of 1710 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:48,970 led tape lights on it and it's very 1711 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:51,130 impressive okay while I'm driving and I 1712 01:19:54,810 --> 01:19:52,570 had to lose sight of it for a little bit 1713 01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:54,820 but then as I got back into a position 1714 01:19:59,880 --> 01:19:57,970 where I could see it again yeah it was 1715 01:20:01,650 --> 01:19:59,890 doing all these kind of wild maneuvers 1716 01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:01,660 it was very impressive they do get your 1717 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:04,480 attention there's no doubt about it 1718 01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:06,730 well we see a lot of them and they're 1719 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:08,800 cool and I haven't bought one for myself 1720 01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:13,090 yet and I you know it's just like the 1721 01:20:18,330 --> 01:20:15,070 bane of ufology right now is probably 1722 01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:18,340 30% of the reports I get and our you 1723 01:20:24,090 --> 01:20:20,860 know our drone reports you know another 1724 01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:24,100 maybe 10 percent or Chinese lanterns you 1725 01:20:28,710 --> 01:20:26,950 know you know but you get so that you 1726 01:20:32,340 --> 01:20:28,720 can recognize even in the the the 1727 01:20:34,740 --> 01:20:32,350 narrative description what the person 1728 01:20:38,460 --> 01:20:34,750 was seen and so I'll kind of tick those 1729 01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:38,470 off one by one and and you know it's 1730 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:40,690 like right now is no different from 1731 01:20:45,210 --> 01:20:42,970 usual I have about 30 cases that I'm 1732 01:20:47,190 --> 01:20:45,220 currently working on that doesn't 1733 01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:47,200 include the cases I'm getting from the 1734 01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:49,660 experience or research team at MUFON 1735 01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,490 that's a whole other whole other ball of 1736 01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:52,960 wax 1737 01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:56,530 are you into that okay okay 1738 01:21:00,720 --> 01:20:58,570 I'm part of Kathleen Martin's team 1739 01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:00,730 Kathleen Mardin is the niece as Betty 1740 01:21:07,580 --> 01:21:03,910 and Barney Hill she's had an experience 1741 01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:07,590 of her own and a few years back she and 1742 01:21:16,220 --> 01:21:12,690 dr. George medic began the MU fons 1743 01:21:19,130 --> 01:21:16,230 experience or research team they came up 1744 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:19,140 with a group of 20 questions you can 1745 01:21:24,740 --> 01:21:20,010 find it on 1746 01:21:28,430 --> 01:21:24,750 MUFON comm its experience or experience 1747 01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:28,440 or questionnaire and the local ones that 1748 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:32,760 come in out my direction which includes 1749 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:34,890 all of California sometimes I'll even 1750 01:21:39,860 --> 01:21:37,890 get Arizona and Texas you know because 1751 01:21:43,670 --> 01:21:39,870 we get a lot of those in we get a lot of 1752 01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:43,680 those in but but I get those and the way 1753 01:21:49,490 --> 01:21:46,890 that we approach those it's not it's 1754 01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:49,500 very different from how we approach the 1755 01:21:55,610 --> 01:21:53,070 CMS cases the CMS cases that's you know 1756 01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:55,620 the computer management system that's 1757 01:22:01,520 --> 01:21:58,290 more or less based on hynek's precepts 1758 01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:01,530 and you know and and and that those are 1759 01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:03,870 the cases where I'm trying to prove that 1760 01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:08,030 this was or was not a UFO you know we 1761 01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:11,400 use a scientific method and deduction 1762 01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:13,800 and and and research and evidence and 1763 01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:16,130 we're looking for evidence for those 1764 01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:20,640 with the ERT group it's different it's 1765 01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:23,460 more a place where a person who has had 1766 01:22:30,620 --> 01:22:26,850 an abduction or or a series of 1767 01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:30,630 abductions or visits alien contact can 1768 01:22:35,480 --> 01:22:33,990 go and speak safely with somebody who's 1769 01:22:39,460 --> 01:22:35,490 not judgmental 1770 01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:39,470 and tell their story and I'll take notes 1771 01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:43,170 we have certain markers that we've you 1772 01:22:50,690 --> 01:22:46,980 know like we've got like 60 70 different 1773 01:22:52,850 --> 01:22:50,700 markers and and more from the I think 1774 01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:52,860 that so far I mean it the case is that 1775 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:54,450 we've had what do you mean by mark 1776 01:22:59,360 --> 01:22:56,970 Allison what do you mean by that certain 1777 01:23:01,690 --> 01:22:59,370 things that you see pop up in in 1778 01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:01,700 different cases that we recognize 1779 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:06,000 certain symbols on uniforms of beans or 1780 01:23:12,730 --> 01:23:09,810 or or even like symbols that people will 1781 01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,740 see on the craft that they're taken to 1782 01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:15,600 the way that they are either taken or 1783 01:23:20,990 --> 01:23:18,510 visited sounds they hear smells that 1784 01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:21,000 they smell 1785 01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:24,960 types of beams that they see it all kind 1786 01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:28,710 of we find certain things that are 1787 01:23:34,190 --> 01:23:32,370 repeating markers and and you do you use 1788 01:23:36,170 --> 01:23:34,200 this you know I'm a nurse in real life 1789 01:23:40,910 --> 01:23:36,180 too you know I don't talk about that but 1790 01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:40,920 I am a licensed working nurse and we do 1791 01:23:45,550 --> 01:23:43,920 the same thing with with with nursing 1792 01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:45,560 you know you you look for certain 1793 01:23:52,220 --> 01:23:48,510 symptoms certain things that that are in 1794 01:23:54,020 --> 01:23:52,230 common with a condition too and through 1795 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:54,030 that you can help your patient or you 1796 01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:55,530 can know that the person needs this 1797 01:24:00,230 --> 01:23:58,050 medication or that and it's the same 1798 01:24:02,450 --> 01:24:00,240 thing these markers will pop up over and 1799 01:24:05,330 --> 01:24:02,460 over again so we listen to these 1800 01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:05,340 people's stories we write down what 1801 01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:07,560 markers they have in common with past 1802 01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:10,290 cases and the cases go into the many 1803 01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:12,690 thousands now that we have had over the 1804 01:24:16,700 --> 01:24:14,760 last three three and a half years I 1805 01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:16,710 think it's been going on now are you 1806 01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:18,870 limited just to California where this is 1807 01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:21,210 a nationwide effort or because that's a 1808 01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:23,940 lot of people in California okay we get 1809 01:24:29,260 --> 01:24:26,100 more cases in California than anywhere 1810 01:24:31,460 --> 01:24:29,270 else that's why I'm very busy with that 1811 01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:31,470 it's different because I'm mostly 1812 01:24:36,110 --> 01:24:33,420 listening to listening to these stories 1813 01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:36,120 I'm taking notes if they need a support 1814 01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:37,830 group I'll send them to the support 1815 01:24:42,620 --> 01:24:40,500 group the support groups that I know of 1816 01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:42,630 if they want to be hypnotically 1817 01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,990 regressed I have hypnotists I have a 1818 01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:47,520 list of people that are that are 1819 01:24:52,940 --> 01:24:50,040 certified and licensed and and that we 1820 01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:52,950 like to work with you know some of them 1821 01:24:58,220 --> 01:24:56,250 go to Yvonne Smith out here who you know 1822 01:25:00,380 --> 01:24:58,230 has an office in La Crescenta and also 1823 01:25:03,710 --> 01:25:00,390 works up in the San Diego area Orange 1824 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:03,720 County a lot and she gets a lot of the 1825 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:07,290 people that want to be regressed and and 1826 01:25:12,620 --> 01:25:08,970 I really love what I'm doing with that 1827 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:12,630 you know I mean I get a lot of classic 1828 01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:15,930 cases where you know the proverbial 1829 01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:18,690 Grey's coming through a portal on the 1830 01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:20,610 wall or bringing you through the ceiling 1831 01:25:27,170 --> 01:25:23,430 sometimes things go wrong I had a guy 1832 01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:27,180 who is bruised head-to-toe because the 1833 01:25:31,630 --> 01:25:29,940 the ceiling didn't go malleable quick 1834 01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,640 enough 1835 01:25:37,210 --> 01:25:33,920 they're the guy and this guy was a big 1836 01:25:39,940 --> 01:25:37,220 guy he's like a big kind of quiet but 1837 01:25:41,770 --> 01:25:39,950 but a bouncer you know you you get I 1838 01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:41,780 mean you know I get cases from 1839 01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:45,130 scientists from from seismologists and 1840 01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:49,280 bouncers apparently and and so this guy 1841 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:52,400 he had been abducted before and he heard 1842 01:25:56,530 --> 01:25:54,530 the little buzz going on and and he is 1843 01:25:59,200 --> 01:25:56,540 like oh no it's them again 1844 01:26:01,720 --> 01:25:59,210 he suddenly can't move they start 1845 01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:01,730 levitating him from his bed and the 1846 01:26:05,260 --> 01:26:04,070 ceiling was not malleable and he slammed 1847 01:26:09,850 --> 01:26:05,270 into the ceiling it was like a 1848 01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:09,860 roadrunner cartoon but you know we get 1849 01:26:15,730 --> 01:26:13,070 cases of all different sorts I had a 1850 01:26:19,330 --> 01:26:15,740 really interesting one this was just 1851 01:26:21,370 --> 01:26:19,340 last night I had a witness who her whole 1852 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:21,380 family they're they're up in the 1853 01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:24,890 Northern California area and I can't 1854 01:26:30,190 --> 01:26:26,510 tell you too much because we're careful 1855 01:26:31,570 --> 01:26:30,200 about the ERT cases you know they're 1856 01:26:34,570 --> 01:26:31,580 they're pretty much I mean we literally 1857 01:26:37,690 --> 01:26:34,580 have to lock the paperwork up after 1858 01:26:39,850 --> 01:26:37,700 we've gone through these cases but it 1859 01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:39,860 was a very unusual one because it wasn't 1860 01:26:48,430 --> 01:26:43,040 your proverbial beans this one is seeing 1861 01:26:53,220 --> 01:26:48,440 globes of light sometimes her car has 1862 01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:53,230 been followed and tracked by 15 20 like 1863 01:26:58,180 --> 01:26:56,690 golf-ball-sized orbs almost like you 1864 01:27:00,760 --> 01:26:58,190 know what it reminds me of it reminds me 1865 01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:00,770 of the old Foo Fighter cases from World 1866 01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:05,030 War 2 where the planes b-17s would be 1867 01:27:10,180 --> 01:27:07,310 tracked with with bite by these balls of 1868 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:10,190 light and we called them German a German 1869 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:12,530 secret weapon and the Germans called it 1870 01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:15,170 an American secret weapon because we 1871 01:27:21,130 --> 01:27:17,570 were all experiencing this anybody up in 1872 01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:21,140 the sky my dad was a tail gunner in a 1873 01:27:28,570 --> 01:27:25,490 b-17 and he talked about it you know my 1874 01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:28,580 dad did love the idea of UFOs he was a 1875 01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:30,710 religious man so he thought it was some 1876 01:27:36,220 --> 01:27:33,440 form of ball lightning or st. Elmo's 1877 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:36,230 fire but even he admitted well no they 1878 01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:38,330 would kind of follow us it was very it 1879 01:27:43,630 --> 01:27:40,370 was kind of scary you know we thought it 1880 01:27:44,620 --> 01:27:43,640 was the Germans spying on us but this 1881 01:27:47,709 --> 01:27:44,630 woman this is 1882 01:27:49,740 --> 01:27:47,719 happening contemporaneously it's 1883 01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:49,750 happening right now 1884 01:27:54,850 --> 01:27:52,250 she had an incident just a couple days 1885 01:27:58,260 --> 01:27:54,860 ago where these these balls of light 1886 01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:58,270 seem to track the family they track her 1887 01:28:04,750 --> 01:28:01,280 and she believes that they're beings and 1888 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:04,760 themselves that they're not vehicles she 1889 01:28:08,020 --> 01:28:06,650 talked about one point where the kids 1890 01:28:10,270 --> 01:28:08,030 were all in the car and they're seeing 1891 01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:10,280 these and they said look it's fairies 1892 01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:12,530 like Tinkerbell you know they thought 1893 01:28:17,950 --> 01:28:15,310 that they were being followed by fairies 1894 01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,960 one time she and the kids were all out 1895 01:28:23,709 --> 01:28:20,000 in the backyard and they started seeing 1896 01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:23,719 these orbs of light and this stuff 1897 01:28:27,310 --> 01:28:24,110 called 1898 01:28:30,459 --> 01:28:27,320 a angel hair started falling from the 1899 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:30,469 sky angel hair has been seen in other 1900 01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:35,210 UFO sightings there's there's been times 1901 01:28:42,610 --> 01:28:39,130 where it's it's just this very gossamer 1902 01:28:44,620 --> 01:28:42,620 like thin thread that will fall it's 1903 01:28:46,660 --> 01:28:44,630 almost like spider webs and some people 1904 01:28:48,970 --> 01:28:46,670 blame it on spiders you know there there 1905 01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:48,980 are spiders that do some they're you 1906 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:51,650 know they're scenes out this way but but 1907 01:28:56,140 --> 01:28:53,570 you know it's like a mating sort of 1908 01:29:00,399 --> 01:28:56,150 thing but when it's all at once and it's 1909 01:29:03,970 --> 01:29:00,409 all-encompassing and you know and when 1910 01:29:05,649 --> 01:29:03,980 it's around a UFO sighting well we think 1911 01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:05,659 that that's something different and 1912 01:29:10,810 --> 01:29:08,270 that's something else so she had that 1913 01:29:12,729 --> 01:29:10,820 story about the angel hair falling 1914 01:29:14,500 --> 01:29:12,739 around her family or kids are picking it 1915 01:29:17,649 --> 01:29:14,510 up and she say me you shouldn't touch 1916 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:17,659 that we don't know what it is but for 1917 01:29:21,879 --> 01:29:20,770 her this has all been like this ongoing 1918 01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:21,889 experience 1919 01:29:26,459 --> 01:29:24,110 she hasn't been abducted she hasn't seen 1920 01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:26,469 little grey guys coming through her wall 1921 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:29,810 she hasn't been taken up to a ship but 1922 01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:32,570 she's had this ongoing experience and I 1923 01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:34,850 found it really interesting very 1924 01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:38,560 eloquent woman soft-spoken 1925 01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:41,570 you know she heard her vocabulary was 1926 01:29:47,740 --> 01:29:45,710 was just really really strong and and 1927 01:29:49,540 --> 01:29:47,750 her family that her kids and her 1928 01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:49,550 grandchildren were there when I was 1929 01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:53,360 talking with her and they they all say 1930 01:29:58,359 --> 01:29:56,530 that this is true that they've seen this 1931 01:30:02,020 --> 01:29:58,369 so 1932 01:30:04,270 --> 01:30:02,030 and that was the most recent you know 1933 01:30:09,250 --> 01:30:04,280 the most recent experience the research 1934 01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:09,260 team case that I was working on and she 1935 01:30:13,300 --> 01:30:11,690 this person that I was speaking with she 1936 01:30:15,550 --> 01:30:13,310 said actually I don't mind if you ever 1937 01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:15,560 talk about this and so I'm being a 1938 01:30:21,399 --> 01:30:17,840 little more open about sharing this 1939 01:30:25,209 --> 01:30:21,409 story with you guys she actually you 1940 01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:25,219 know I actually recorded the you know 1941 01:30:29,260 --> 01:30:27,290 her giving the narrative of what she's 1942 01:30:33,419 --> 01:30:29,270 been experiencing and she did say that 1943 01:30:36,100 --> 01:30:33,429 that was okay so but and you know I 1944 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:36,110 usually you know the the cases I get 1945 01:30:40,450 --> 01:30:38,090 through the EMT run the gamut you know 1946 01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:40,460 I've got the cases where the person sees 1947 01:30:45,550 --> 01:30:42,800 the beings and they go to the ship 1948 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:45,560 they're taken they're paralyzed but then 1949 01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:49,250 this one was was a very unordinary case 1950 01:30:54,910 --> 01:30:52,400 I wasn't even sure if it was you know 1951 01:30:56,620 --> 01:30:54,920 proper for the you know experience or 1952 01:30:59,379 --> 01:30:56,630 research team to be the ones 1953 01:31:00,910 --> 01:30:59,389 investigating it at first but the more I 1954 01:31:03,399 --> 01:31:00,920 looked at it it's like well these aren't 1955 01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:03,409 vehicles it's a different kind of being 1956 01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:05,810 and some people speak of ascended beings 1957 01:31:13,390 --> 01:31:09,110 as as appearing you know as globes of 1958 01:31:16,109 --> 01:31:13,400 light and for this family it's enhanced 1959 01:31:18,669 --> 01:31:16,119 their life they're happy that it's there 1960 01:31:20,770 --> 01:31:18,679 she said I would never want it to stop 1961 01:31:24,220 --> 01:31:20,780 it's like this little bit of magic in my 1962 01:31:26,979 --> 01:31:24,230 life that's a fascinating case bürol i 1963 01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:26,989 wanted to ask you just two last things 1964 01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:29,840 and one is i wanted to know if you could 1965 01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:31,520 just mention a little bit about Leonard 1966 01:31:36,939 --> 01:31:34,880 Stringfield who apparently was very 1967 01:31:39,609 --> 01:31:36,949 influential regarding your having read 1968 01:31:41,470 --> 01:31:39,619 up on him when you wanted to get 1969 01:31:43,959 --> 01:31:41,480 involved in the topic of your follow ji 1970 01:31:45,550 --> 01:31:43,969 and then my last question to you is if 1971 01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:45,560 you would mention just a few things that 1972 01:31:54,189 --> 01:31:47,840 represent how you feel about the topic 1973 01:31:57,359 --> 01:31:54,199 of ufology sure Leonard Stringfield he 1974 01:32:01,089 --> 01:31:57,369 is he was kind of doing what I am doing 1975 01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:01,099 but he was doing this back in the 1950s 1976 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:02,960 60s 70s 1977 01:32:11,860 --> 01:32:10,010 I believe he passed away 1993 or so and 1978 01:32:14,650 --> 01:32:11,870 in dr. arena 1979 01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:14,660 had met with Leonard a few times she she 1980 01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:17,840 knew Leonard Stringfield and but he 1981 01:32:23,940 --> 01:32:20,570 worked with the Hynek he worked with he 1982 01:32:30,850 --> 01:32:23,950 was one of those classic ufologists who 1983 01:32:36,430 --> 01:32:30,860 he his jest and Mo was studying crash 1984 01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:36,440 retrievals UFO crash retrievals he was 1985 01:32:43,900 --> 01:32:39,710 the first guy to kind of bring out Jesse 1986 01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:43,910 Marcel he heard about Jesse Marcel him a 1987 01:32:50,140 --> 01:32:47,470 another ham radio operator who knew 1988 01:32:52,810 --> 01:32:50,150 Jesse senior got a hold of him and said 1989 01:32:56,110 --> 01:32:52,820 hey you ever heard about this guy and 1990 01:32:58,180 --> 01:32:56,120 and he hadn't and and so Leonard was was 1991 01:33:01,960 --> 01:32:58,190 one of the first in fact he was the 1992 01:33:05,740 --> 01:33:01,970 first person to go and investigate the 1993 01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:05,750 Roswell crash in doing what he did he 1994 01:33:11,980 --> 01:33:07,760 found that there were many crashes some 1995 01:33:14,250 --> 01:33:11,990 were you know that the government even 1996 01:33:18,250 --> 01:33:14,260 acknowledged I mean we know through FOIA 1997 01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:18,260 requests that that yes this is true that 1998 01:33:24,580 --> 01:33:21,410 there have been crashes and and that we 1999 01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:24,590 have figured out ways to send teams out 2000 01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:27,530 to gather the materials keep people away 2001 01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:30,050 from the site try to retrieve the 2002 01:33:38,290 --> 01:33:32,470 technology with without causing a 2003 01:33:41,770 --> 01:33:38,300 national panic now MUFON we are lucky 2004 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:41,780 enough to have inherited his complete 2005 01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:45,530 series of notebooks so they have all the 2006 01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:48,410 notebooks the secretary that worked for 2007 01:33:53,620 --> 01:33:51,650 him she kept a copy of his personal 2008 01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:53,630 notebook so apparently the family of 2009 01:34:00,490 --> 01:33:56,810 Leonard Stringfield has the originals 2010 01:34:02,020 --> 01:34:00,500 but we have the copies of all those 2011 01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:02,030 notebooks and they're all you know 2012 01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:03,770 they're done really beautifully each one 2013 01:34:09,340 --> 01:34:07,730 is in its own little binder and and I've 2014 01:34:12,580 --> 01:34:09,350 had a chance to look through those and 2015 01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:12,590 it's very very fascinating one of my 2016 01:34:17,980 --> 01:34:15,770 greatest heroes in ufology I mean the 2017 01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:17,990 guy had cojones we're talking he was 2018 01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:21,110 going out to sites where we're you know 2019 01:34:24,610 --> 01:34:22,880 there had been crashes he was talking to 2020 01:34:28,690 --> 01:34:24,620 the witnesses 2021 01:34:30,580 --> 01:34:28,700 now you can find his status reports that 2022 01:34:32,530 --> 01:34:30,590 they're on Amazon you can you can 2023 01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:32,540 actually buy those still they published 2024 01:34:39,580 --> 01:34:36,050 them he did write one book called 2025 01:34:43,210 --> 01:34:39,590 situation read which is a just amazing 2026 01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:43,220 book on ufology that's still in print 2027 01:34:51,460 --> 01:34:46,400 and and yeah he's one of my greatest 2028 01:34:53,470 --> 01:34:51,470 heroes that's kind of it great and then 2029 01:34:55,300 --> 01:34:53,480 if you have a few things to say that 2030 01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:55,310 represent how you feel about the topic 2031 01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:57,440 of you apology what would it what would 2032 01:35:05,290 --> 01:35:01,040 it be the most important thing that's 2033 01:35:08,500 --> 01:35:05,300 happening on our planet and in in my 2034 01:35:12,220 --> 01:35:08,510 opinion is the that we are being visited 2035 01:35:14,500 --> 01:35:12,230 by either extraterrestrials or 2036 01:35:17,620 --> 01:35:14,510 interdimensional Zoar both but that 2037 01:35:20,350 --> 01:35:17,630 there is a nonhuman intelligence that is 2038 01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:20,360 at work and that's communicating with 2039 01:35:28,570 --> 01:35:22,960 humans and sometimes visiting us and 2040 01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:28,580 even sometimes taking us and ufology is 2041 01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:30,890 a strange science you can't get a degree 2042 01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:34,010 in it yet maybe someday you will be able 2043 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:38,000 to scientists have gone into this like 2044 01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:41,210 you know Stanton Friedman or J Allen 2045 01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:45,920 Hynek I would dr. Irena Scott you know 2046 01:35:53,530 --> 01:35:49,730 as a bonafide scientist and and she's a 2047 01:35:56,380 --> 01:35:53,540 true ufologist but the beauty of of the 2048 01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:56,390 field is is that a layman like myself 2049 01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,610 where I'm really well-read and I 2050 01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:00,560 understand my sciences but I don't have 2051 01:36:06,220 --> 01:36:04,130 a degree in in these things that you can 2052 01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:06,230 go in there and that you can make a 2053 01:36:13,540 --> 01:36:09,440 difference as far as learning about the 2054 01:36:17,110 --> 01:36:13,550 phenomenon gathering evidence actually 2055 01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:17,120 closing cases and in doing what we're 2056 01:36:22,450 --> 01:36:19,850 doing right now going in the public eye 2057 01:36:24,220 --> 01:36:22,460 and saying this is the most important 2058 01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:24,230 thing that's happening on our planet 2059 01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:26,960 right now that we are not alone we're 2060 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:28,730 being visited and we're being 2061 01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:31,610 communicated with and what does this 2062 01:36:38,410 --> 01:36:37,070 mean to humanity and to me ufology is is 2063 01:36:42,729 --> 01:36:38,420 a blessing in my life 2064 01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:42,739 if I its I got into this later on you 2065 01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:45,040 know I was about 55 years old when I 2066 01:36:51,370 --> 01:36:48,080 decided to throw myself at the 2067 01:36:53,169 --> 01:36:51,380 phenomenon some of it is that you know 2068 01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:53,179 I'm still looking for my mom you know my 2069 01:36:57,880 --> 01:36:55,280 mom only told me so much about what she 2070 01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:57,890 was doing and she said well it's it's 2071 01:37:04,090 --> 01:37:01,280 very real phenomenon Earl probably 2072 01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:04,100 realer than you will ever know and part 2073 01:37:07,660 --> 01:37:05,390 of this is I'm kind of trying to 2074 01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:07,670 disprove that you know it's realer than 2075 01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:12,050 you will ever know part you know I want 2076 01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:15,250 to know and and and you know through 2077 01:37:22,030 --> 01:37:18,050 diligence and a lot of hard work and 2078 01:37:24,010 --> 01:37:22,040 sometimes luck or synchronicity I've 2079 01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:24,020 been able to find some some really 2080 01:37:32,500 --> 01:37:27,710 impressive UFOs and I've gathered the 2081 01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:32,510 evidence and I've met the just the real 2082 01:37:39,939 --> 01:37:36,890 heavy requirements that are due there in 2083 01:37:43,150 --> 01:37:39,949 order to be called a bilal something an 2084 01:37:47,050 --> 01:37:43,160 actual unidentified no flying object or 2085 01:37:51,790 --> 01:37:47,060 unidentified aerial vehicle and you can 2086 01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:51,800 do this too out there in YouTube land if 2087 01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:54,110 I can do it anybody can do it if you 2088 01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:55,850 would like to do this the way to do it 2089 01:38:01,720 --> 01:37:58,010 is the way that I did it go to goof on 2090 01:38:05,370 --> 01:38:01,730 comm I click on the link how to become a 2091 01:38:09,610 --> 01:38:05,380 field investigator you take a test you 2092 01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:09,620 you'll get a workbook and it's it's you 2093 01:38:16,090 --> 01:38:11,810 know it's it's a lot of reading but I 2094 01:38:18,250 --> 01:38:16,100 did it in about a week or so I I had a 2095 01:38:21,850 --> 01:38:18,260 week off and I just I treated it like a 2096 01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:21,860 job I applied myself to it and I did ace 2097 01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:22,640 the test 2098 01:38:28,959 --> 01:38:26,570 I met my local state director on MUFON 2099 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:28,969 you can also find that in the directory 2100 01:38:37,930 --> 01:38:32,330 which is available to everybody at MUFON 2101 01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:37,940 calm and the last coming up on four 2102 01:38:44,919 --> 01:38:41,890 years of my life have just been 2103 01:38:48,939 --> 01:38:44,929 astounding and I've been able to do the 2104 01:38:50,500 --> 01:38:48,949 same thing as Hynek or Stringfield and I 2105 01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:50,510 don't have a degree you know I don't 2106 01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:52,130 have a PhD like 2107 01:38:59,080 --> 01:38:56,090 Durai Rena Scott house but don't ever 2108 01:39:02,020 --> 01:38:59,090 let that hold you back you can do this 2109 01:39:07,180 --> 01:39:02,030 yourself if you have the love for it and 2110 01:39:09,790 --> 01:39:07,190 the desire and that that's my my you 2111 01:39:12,580 --> 01:39:09,800 know thoughts on ufology of the future 2112 01:39:16,810 --> 01:39:12,590 that it's people like you out there 2113 01:39:18,459 --> 01:39:16,820 and and and myself that are going to set 2114 01:39:22,090 --> 01:39:18,469 the pace and are going to bring to the 2115 01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:22,100 the evidence in that is going to open 2116 01:39:29,860 --> 01:39:26,000 the world up to the greatest greatest 2117 01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:29,870 fact that there is that we are not alone 2118 01:39:34,330 --> 01:39:32,330 we are not alone I agree with you and I 2119 01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:34,340 want everybody to have the opportunity 2120 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:36,520 to read a little bit more about you and 2121 01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:39,290 that interview I did with you recently 2122 01:39:46,510 --> 01:39:43,550 is it's been published at wordpress.com 2123 01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:46,520 so how people can get to it is they can 2124 01:39:53,649 --> 01:39:50,510 go to chant hana dot wordpress.com and 2125 01:39:56,050 --> 01:39:53,659 look through the blog area and they'll 2126 01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:56,060 see the interview with earl grey the 2127 01:40:00,340 --> 01:39:57,679 chief investigator for the Southern 2128 01:40:03,820 --> 01:40:00,350 California Chapter of MUFON it's been a 2129 01:40:07,149 --> 01:40:03,830 real joy having you on today we really 2130 01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:07,159 have enjoyed listening to you share your 2131 01:40:11,260 --> 01:40:09,530 stories and a little bit about yourself 2132 01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:11,270 it's been an honor and privilege having 2133 01:40:16,510 --> 01:40:12,850 you on the show today thank you Earl 2134 01:40:18,430 --> 01:40:16,520 thank you chant a great privilege and 2135 01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:18,440 honor for me too and thank you Frank you 2136 01:40:25,229 --> 01:40:21,110 guys blessed thanks for coming on or 2137 01:40:29,169 --> 01:40:28,000 alright so that one beautifully got 2138 01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:29,179 chant you want to go over the schedule 2139 01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:32,810 for the rest of the week oh sure yes so 2140 01:40:36,910 --> 01:40:34,370 does this mean that Earl's 2141 01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:36,920 office III don't know if he's hung up 2142 01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:39,110 yet or not but before we go I'm 2143 01:40:43,660 --> 01:40:42,050 listening to you guys yeah before we go 2144 01:40:46,209 --> 01:40:43,670 we've got shows coming up this week 2145 01:40:48,610 --> 01:40:46,219 we've got the busy schedule I happen to 2146 01:40:50,530 --> 01:40:48,620 be off for the week of work so I've got 2147 01:40:53,169 --> 01:40:50,540 this some time to put these together and 2148 01:40:55,330 --> 01:40:53,179 get them streamed up there chant you've 2149 01:40:57,700 --> 01:40:55,340 got that Gary Heseltine tomorrow talking 2150 01:40:59,979 --> 01:40:57,710 about his new documentary cable green on 2151 01:41:03,939 --> 01:40:59,989 the Rendlesham case we've got Tim 2152 01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:03,949 Beckley coming up on on Tuesday really 2153 01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:05,210 animal 2154 01:41:08,979 --> 01:41:06,800 yeah yeah Tim was awesome I did his show 2155 01:41:10,780 --> 01:41:08,989 a few years back he's cool guy we'll 2156 01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:10,790 talk a little bit about Muhammad Ali in 2157 01:41:16,180 --> 01:41:14,239 UFOs and all kinds of stuff Julianne 2158 01:41:17,709 --> 01:41:16,190 Moore Inka Vic from Omni talk radio is 2159 01:41:20,020 --> 01:41:17,719 going to be on Thursday 2160 01:41:22,540 --> 01:41:20,030 Mike panitch ello is the MUFON director 2161 01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:22,550 in Connecticut is going to be on Friday 2162 01:41:28,030 --> 01:41:25,130 and we've got a couple shows coming up 2163 01:41:30,850 --> 01:41:28,040 on the 20th we're going to have an image 2164 01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:30,860 Super Show with Kevin day and Dave 2165 01:41:34,930 --> 01:41:32,450 Beatty who made the Nimitz Encounters 2166 01:41:36,940 --> 01:41:34,940 movie and we might have some additional 2167 01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:36,950 guests on that we're gonna talk all 2168 01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:38,960 about that Nimitz case and then on the 2169 01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:41,600 27th we're gonna have dr. Diana pisanka 2170 01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:45,890 whose new book is coming out shortly she 2171 01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:47,330 keeps saying that the date gets pushed 2172 01:41:52,270 --> 01:41:49,670 back on her but it's coming out one of 2173 01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:52,280 these days soon American cosmic and 2174 01:41:56,410 --> 01:41:53,330 we're gonna be able to talk all about 2175 01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:56,420 that so we got a busy busy busy January 2176 01:42:03,070 --> 01:42:00,560 lined up for you having brought that up 2177 01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:03,080 yeah that's fantastic that way our 2178 01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:04,670 listeners will know what to look forward 2179 01:42:11,170 --> 01:42:08,000 to so thank you yep so we're good to go 2180 01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:11,180 here ready to wrap up yeah all right I